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by Kutso
Sat May 26, 2012 11:39 am
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

johahr wrote:And why isn't my heartbeats the reference to awareness that appear and disappear?
I'm not sure I follow you now. Please elaborate.
by Kutso
Fri May 25, 2012 7:55 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

How can you invite me if there is no separation ? Existence is separation. Instead of answering my question with a question, maybe you can instead answer what I asked. I asked, do you find a border between "You" and phenomena? What is it? What is it made of? How does it look, feel, smell, taste? Is...
by Kutso
Fri May 25, 2012 7:51 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

It looks like we can refer to "I" or "you" (our identity) in these three "deepening" ways - "I am a body/mind", "I am a witnessing consciousness/ attention of all that happens", "I am the present moment that never dies and is never born". To me noticing experientially the truth of the 2nd statement...
by Kutso
Fri May 25, 2012 7:46 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

(a.2) perhaps something other than you can demonstrate impermanence, If you were able to demonstrate impermanence, it would have to be done against a background of permanence. Otherwise, how would you even know of impermanence? If everything was changing all the time, how could change even be recog...
by Kutso
Fri May 25, 2012 7:41 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

How is this an argument against ME being born again every morning? Lets imagine such reference, my heartbeats would work nicely for reference? If you refer to ME as the thinking mind and the body, then sure, you are being born again every morning. But my argument clearly shows that you are not the ...
by Kutso
Fri May 25, 2012 7:36 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

It doesn't matter. All that matters is that it is possible to use the word "my" at all. Separation has occurred. Even though there is none. It does matter. When you say "my (something)", a concept is being used to separate what you refer to as "I" and "not 'I'". The concept seems to separate realit...
by Kutso
Thu May 24, 2012 10:01 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

My left thumb is separate from my right thumb. When you say "my", what are you referring to? I am separate from you. When you say "I", what are you referring to? For there to be anything beyond the absolute there must be separation, even though there is no separation. How is this possible, I don't ...
by Kutso
Thu May 24, 2012 9:22 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

rideforever wrote:There is separation. How can the word separation exist if there is no separation.
When you say "separation", what do you mean by that? What is separate from what?
by Kutso
Thu May 24, 2012 9:03 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

rideforever wrote: "When all is one, how come there are two ?"
All is not one. All is just not-two. I makes no sense talking of "One" when there is no separation. "One" is always in relation to "Two".
by Kutso
Thu May 24, 2012 8:59 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

I went to bed, there was memory of time saying 10pm and that it was dark, I wake up, look at the time, and that it's light out, I conclude I slept. All this happens in mind when awareness is there watching all these conclusions. No awareness otherwise. All this does not happen in the mind. All this...
by Kutso
Thu May 24, 2012 5:01 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

I know I cannot access any memories. But I do NOT know why. But the fact is that there is a gap in memory from deep sleep. You know that nothing was known. Was the mind there in deep sleep? Obviously not. Then, the mind isnt the one who remembers, because the mind was not there to witness its own a...
by Kutso
Wed May 23, 2012 9:38 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

I can access the memory in my mind, and when I try to access any memories from 3pm this morning, nothing turns up. You cannot access any memory of this in the mind, because the mind was inactive. And that is why nothing comes up. The mind is content, and there was no content. No memory. This you kn...
by Kutso
Tue May 22, 2012 10:35 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

Exactly my point. There is no evidence for either WE being present, or WE being gone!! So how could we determine which is the case? So, basically, what you are saying is that you don't know if you were absent or present in deep sleep. Okay. And I ask you, why do you conclude that you don't know? We...
by Kutso
Sat May 19, 2012 8:19 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

My point exactly, if there is nothing to be aware of, how can we determine if awareness is there or not? You are confusing awareness with being something experiential. You are saying "how can WE determine if awareness is there or not" as if WE is something other than awareness. This is not so. WE a...
by Kutso
Fri May 11, 2012 9:35 pm
Forum: Questions
Topic: unconsciousness
Replies: 49
Views: 3517

Re: unconsciousness

Yes, have you never missed part of a movie, or woken up to a complete different show on the tv with noticing that you fell a sleep, and not knowing for how long your where sleeping? Yes, but experience was not a no gap one. There was a gap between those two moments in which nothing was experienced,...