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by Sum
Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:28 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?
Replies: 17
Views: 1801

Re: Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?

Jen, I suppose I'm standing up for the value of our physical bodies, of the people closest to us, and of every beautiful (and ugly) incarnation on our planet. I don't feel very drawn to "being" in the absence of form. Even in your NDE, there was still form (albeit in a more refined state). Pure Dao,...
by Sum
Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:30 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?
Replies: 17
Views: 1801

Re: Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?

Wonderful insights, thanks as always :) It makes me wonder whether the reclusive monk seeking lifelong deprivation and isolation in order to see more clearly may actually be acting contrary to the nature of Source. Can we truly learn or feel anything in a void? Perhaps form and the experience it eng...
by Sum
Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:11 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?
Replies: 17
Views: 1801

Re: Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?

I agree that boredom is a state of dissatisfaction, and in that sense is a rejection of the now. But I think WW is on to something. Maybe it is in our essential nature to seek experience. Without form, can there be any experience? Why else would the Dao (or whatever we choose to label our essential ...
by Sum
Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?
Replies: 17
Views: 1801

Are Boredom and Presence Mutually Exclusive?

Hi all, it's been a while since I posted. A question that occurred to me today as I was pondering presence. If you are truly present, is it possible to be bored at that moment? Or is boredom solely a product of the mind? Tolle talks about spending months sitting on a park bench and observing the wor...
by Sum
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:42 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

Think the fear/love thing is a bit narrow. There is Compassion and Empathy (quite human traits, though some animals share them too). Incentive to make changes is based on accepting what Can't Be Changed (ie, if its snowy where you live, its really best to 'accept' that). And motivation to make chan...
by Sum
Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

I don't see it that way. I see that it is fear which is root of the disease of unnecessary suffering in humanity. I agree with you. All unnecessary suffering comes from fear, but does all fear lead to unnecessary suffering? I'm not convinced that it does. But in the absence of fear, there is only l...
by Sum
Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:13 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

You're right, the reaction of fear can be useful. For example, if you are about to be run over by a bus, you might feel fear, and it would energize you to protect yourself. The fear which is the natural biological response to danger is useful and completely sane. The fear we were discussing is diff...
by Sum
Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:29 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

I have to wonder, if people don't like fear why do they put themselves in positions of feeling it? Is fear always unhealthy and undesirable? Physical pain is a pointer to something that is wrong with the body. We could drug ourselves to prevent the pain, but would the body be as likely to heal as a...
by Sum
Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:02 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

I think everything is pure energy layered with 'element's creating density in form. Jen, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. What do you see as "intelligence", apart from energy and matter? What is "consciousness"? Can it exist in the absence of energy and matter, or is it a by-produ...
by Sum
Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:53 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

If you get new information and you ignore it, there will be flaws in your findings, therefore flaws in the application of your knowledge. I agree. Any true scientist wouldn't ignore new information, because science is always open to ongoing refinement of existing theories. Far more open, as a gener...
by Sum
Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:50 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

This is certainly true. A single report is necessarily questionable. But the more corroboration there is the more reliable personal testimonies become. How many witnesses does it take to become convincing that reports may well be accurately representative? Corroboration by one other is merely suppo...
by Sum
Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:56 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

20/20 is having a special tonight on the afterlife, and one of the stories is about a "neurosurgeon who claims he saw heaven". I wonder if this is the neurosurgeon we've been discussing?

I have a few responses that I'll get back to first part of next week.
by Sum
Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:46 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

Yes, but actually it's a bit worse than that. No matter how much "evidence" you have you still can't be sure that it is true. This is the absolute ludicrous weakness of Science, it can't prove anything. Perfect knowledge is impossible, at least for us humans. However, that doesn't mean that we can'...
by Sum
Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:35 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

smiileyjen101 wrote: To my own I would hold in my own measure, skeptical analysis of events where information has come from outside of 'known' parameters of information sharing, I've noticed the differences in energy increasing in rate the further in relative time that a personality is out of form....
by Sum
Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:08 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How can we know there's no death
Replies: 537
Views: 36062

Re: How can we know there's no death

It's also a false premiss to declare that ' we don't know'. No one can say for certain what another knows. It's difficult enough to gauge our own perceptions. The questions you pose however are valid, but so too are the opposites in terms of definitive scientific conclusions. How do we know that ND...