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Literally always 'in the now'

Post by runstrails » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:59 am

I heard this incredible clip on the radio today. It's about a person who has the most severe documented case of amnesia. He forgets everything in the blink of an eye. That is, he cannot remember what has just happened from moment to moment. He is literally always 'in the now'. He has no concept of time (since he has no short term memory). Every moment is completely new. He believes every moment is when he has just woken up and is seeing the world for the first time.

Oliver Sacks (the famous neurologist discusses his case on radio lab):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8PeBmmfNq0

Take a listen! Makes one think for sure!

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Re: Literally always 'in the now'

Post by smiileyjen101 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:47 am

Thanks for sharing RT, fascinating excerpts.
My dad suffered progressive Alzheimer's disease, and my mum now goes in and out of dementia, so it's a known thing / experience from the other side of it for me.

That what remains of profound (selfless) love, and music (and warning sensing) without any of the extraneous 'noise' or labels makes sense to me. It's so interesting don't you think, that these things are when we 'lose' ourselves - our sense of self - completely anyway.

That he also maintained the ability to tell the time, use a telephone, and write in his journals ... at some point, maybe we give over sense of self and time to these things as well?

In nursing homes when they've brought children (toddlers) in to play with older residents with dementia or Alzheimer's the same effect happens as with his conducting. It just 'is' in the moment, and prior knowledge and skills are able to be brought forth in response to now situation happenings.

For those of us relating with people with these conditions, sharing their moments is challenging, but also an incredible experience of love.

What did you find fascinating?
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Post by runstrails » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:43 am

Hi Jen,
Great to hear from you! I hope all is well with you. Sorry to hear about your parents. But you make some great points using their perspective.

I had similar thoughts to yours when I heard the piece. That love and music are timeless or beyond time so to speak was lovely to hear.

But what struck me the most was that every moment seemed like the first one for this poor soul. And similar to patients with Alzheimer's it lead to frustration and confusion.

So, I guess in this manifestation, the value of time and how it holds our fragile narrative together cannot be underestimated :D.

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Post by DavidB » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:26 am

He could watch the same movies over and over and enjoy them like he'd never seen them before.

It's interesting though, as far as I can tell, spiritual development requires a certain amount of memory in order to facilitate development. At least in order to reflect, digest and assimilate. This evolutionary consciousness, developed memory for an advantageous reason, as far as I can tell.

Far too much happens in an average day, from moment to moment, for all of the information to be processed immediately, some of it at least, needs to be processed at a later, quieter time. Analyses takes up more time, energy and resources than does instinctive reaction, which often requires no thought at all. This higher ability to quantify and qualify is far too cumbersome to be produced on the fly, at least not very effectively.

It makes me wonder then, is the Now a state to be achieved, as a goal in itself, or simply a best place to be in which to develop spiritually. And then that begs the question, in the absence of a "Now" goal, what is spiritual development?
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Re: Literally always 'in the now'

Post by turiya » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:59 pm

Interesting radio clip! :D

For me, it raises the questions: is he always "in the Now" as Presence? ... Or is his mind just trapped "in the now", as in "the present moment in time"... (and he's still identified with that sliver of mind/time)?

These questions came to me after watching this Mooji video:

https://youtu.be/ioZ2-vhpNbw
“We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived.” - Wei Wu Wei

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