Just a friendly observation hereaxetenuz wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:46 amWhen the pronoun "you" starts getting used too much, usually with pointy fingers, it is that unpleasant reaction one was speaking about earlier. Reactions that most likely come out of dogmatism and cognitive dissonance (inability to meet the new because the eyes are the old), which is why one tries to avoid using the pronoun "I" as you might have noticed, unless linguistic meaning requires its usage. It takes away some of that sting/separation between the "you and the "i". One has never been too interested in pointy fingers but more in discussing over serious issues as one would with a friend even though they might have never met. This is a most basic requirement in the art of having a dialogue.
Relationships have been my greatest teachers. Yes, conflict is going to happen on this forum. But, who is the one that says...."that's not ok?"
Rather than avoiding the conversation when there is a disagreement, or even a mis-understanding, the greatest expansion and growth for me happens when two people can be intimate and open with each other in a conversation about what came up for each of them internally during conversation. Even if one or both are triggered in some way. It's just part of being human my friend and it's ok.
I shared an open somewhat vulnerable experience of myself in the comment above and my perspective on uniqueness, and instead of responding to that, you chose to question my experience of terms like presence or Awareness that I was using, which had nothing to do with our conversation? You went into guru mode and I don't know why explaining where inquiry needed to happen. But, I was not asking for that. But, I was merely sharing what uniqueness feels like to me.
Naturally that's going to irritate me as it did, because I feel mis-attuned. Nor was I asking the other person to play the role of guru, but simply asking them to meet me. But, what I do love is vulnerability. When someone is vulnerable, it makes it easier for me to be vulnerable
Part of being human is sharing in vulnerability. Using human brain logic to bypass vulnerability only creates more separation and is quite the opposite of true non-duality.
Spirituality has largely become an embodied process for me. True non-duality has been the experience of embracing, and holding the internal ones who feel hurt for me, which has helped me to share more openly with others vulnerably, because I was able to meet the pain inside. I'm still working with this and am not perfect.
None of us are perfect. But, the willingness to say...."this irritates me!" can go a long way sometimes, as opposed to pretending we're too enlightened and pretending we don't get emotionally triggered....via avoiding saying terms like "I" or "you". That doesn't sound very healthy or nourishing to me.
Nor is that going to make for good conversation on this forum going forward just as a pointer. Compassion, understanding and a willingness to meet someone....on the other hand will go a long way in enhancing conversation even if there is grave disagreement.
This was supposed to be a fun, playful thread to explore possibilities beyond human logic and not take it all so seriously. That's all.
Thanks for your contributions to the conversation