The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

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The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by Ervin » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:10 pm

Hi,Before I post it first of all I want to say that I am not trying to insult homosexuals and similar. If you know Christianity then you will know that every sin can be forgiven, even greater than some I have mentioned if you believe/accept God’s Only Begotten Son as your Lord and Saviour and strive to apply the Christian teachings.

Ok, the following I copied( apart from Hi) from another website that I posted myself:

Hi everyone. I would like to first post for people some verses from the last Bible book called the Book of Revelations:

Revelation: 12:16He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In the above it says that it’s the number of the beast is the number of man. Think about it, what does that mean?

The above is happening now. Think about it: so called halloween, horror movies, nuclear weapons, pornography, homosexual marriages, and I am sure you can ad to the list. Which you can say is a pretty good indication that the number might be being given out. Other ways you can tell is by looking into your life and read the book of Revelations and try and see if you can recognise like I said in your own life if the 666 is being given out at the moment. I say again it is happening now.

I urge you people to accept Jesus Christ as a God’s Only Begotten Son who was sent into the world to die for our sins.

I pray to Our Heavenly Father that all people who read the above come to accept His One and Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour in Jesus Christ’s Name Amen.

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Re: The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by Webwanderer » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:32 pm

Ervin wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:10 pm
I pray to Our Heavenly Father that all people who read the above come to accept His One and Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour in Jesus Christ’s Name Amen.
Ervin, you're quoting from a book and claiming it as authority. It is not. It is religious doctrine and dogma. There are many versions of the Bible as well as many other religious texts around the world. There are indeed many great pointers in scripture... most all scripture. But there is no truth. Truth lives beyond any scripture or writings. If you don't find truth directly in your heart, without need for some book to back it up, then you don't really know truth at all. You simply believe. Scriptures are road maps at best, not authorities.

That is not to say they can not be helpful at a certain stage in one's life. But to really know truth, one has to get beyond scriptures, make a direct spiritual connection for guidance. To hold on too strongly to a written word only becomes a tie that binds. Do an honest investigation into the origins of the Bible. Most of it was compiled hundreds of years after the events they describe. And it was compiled into what is now known as 'The Bible' by church leaders who had a direct interest in creating a religious following that they could control. That brought them power and wealth.

Like any false doctrine (or great lie) it contains enough fundamental truth to make it attractive, and enough fear elements to keep followers tied to it. 'If you leave you are going to burn for eternity'. Now please pay the collection plate.

Consider deeply what it is you are doing when you make your stated prayer. You are praying to your vision of God that everyone's freedom and mind be enslaved in favor of your belief system. Isn't this the heart of arrogance? To think you know best for everyone else? Most of the people on this forum already see beyond the entrapment of religious fundamentalism. They have heard it before and moved well beyond it's carrot and stick, heaven or hell, approach to spirituality. Fundamentalists say believe like we say or you're going to hell. Life is much larger than that, and hell is a personal creation, not some place a vengeful God would send his beloved children who lived life doing the best they could with what they knew about life.

Remember, in the scriptures that you tout, that Jesus said the Truth will make you free? It is the antithesis of freedom to pray that others accept your belief system. Why not pray that everyone find the Truth as the truth is? That people gain freedom from their ignorance and distorted beliefs... and include yourself in that prayer.

Just because you believe something strongly, with deep emotion, does not make it true. The Bible, and all other scriptures and writings on this planet are irrelevant compared to Truth. Man writes scriptures. Scriptures, at best, merely point to truth. Truths transcend all writings. The truth that matters is that which is written in your heart, not on paper no matter how it's dressed up.

Pray to know truth. Be honestly willing to give up everything you know to know the actual truth. Pray it every day, with open heart, and honestly. This will put you on the path that Jesus pointed to. The Truth that will make you free. This may not be fun at first, because it can be painful to give up our ingrained belief structures, but if you are honest and steadfast in your desire, it will eventually bring you peace and joy beyond anything you've yet come to know.

WW

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Re: The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by Ervin » Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:23 am

What’s also good to read is the book of Mathew( it teaches you how to be Saved), which is the first book in the New Testament. Also In Mathew 24 you can read about the end days as well.

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Re: The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by turiya » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:36 pm

Webwanderer wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:32 pm
Scriptures, at best, merely point to truth. Truths transcend all writings. The truth that matters is that which is written in your heart, not on paper no matter how it's dressed up.
Love it! Well said, WW. :D
“We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived.” - Wei Wu Wei

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Re: The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by Albert Haust » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:23 pm

Ervin:

There are Biblical Scholars who believe that the Book of Revelations applied to the time period of when it was written and that it was not a prediction of what will take place in the future. The Book of Revelations was written by a man named John while he was a prisoner on the Island Patmos. The Book of Revelations was a symbolic letter to Christians that lived during his time period.

The antichrist that is referred to is Nero Caesar. In Hebrew Nero's name was NrwnQsr - n,e,r,o,n; q,s,r. Archaeological findings show that a first century Hebrew spelling of Nero's name provides the value of 666. Some Biblical manuscripts read 616. The difference between 666 and 616 isn't the result of an accident, because the two aren't similar in appearance in the original Greek. A strong case can be made that John (the Author of Book of Revelations), a Jew, used Hebrew in order to spell Nero's name and resultantly came up with 616. It is hard to believe that it is just mere coincidence that whether you use 666 or 616 it is reasonable to conclude that Revelation 13:18 refers to Nero.

Regarding the Dragon spoken of in Book of Revelations, some people believe such Dragon is Satan, but this isn't so. Rather, this Dragon is symbolic. The seven heads of the Dragon have a double meaning. They represent seven hills in Rome and seven kings.

Revelation 2:13 reads: "I know that you live in the city where Satan has his throne, yet you have remained faithful to me." When considering if a supernatural being is referred to with this verse, it is important to note that when the messages of the churches of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatria, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea are given, only Pergamum is named as the city where Satan has his throne. Pergamum is the city where a temple with a statue of the mythological Greek God Zeus was kept. Some scholars believe that Revelation 2:13 refers to this statue. Perhaps John was opposed to the fact that such a temple existed.

If somebody such as a preacher is telling you what you believe, you might ask such preacher about the above. If such preacher tells you that the above is Satan-based deception, Biblical scholars have found that the Bible doesn't actually establish the existence of the evil being Satan that many Christians speak of. Satan literally translates to "adversary," and is used in various contrary ways within the Bible. When Jesus told Peter "get behind me Satan," did he actually mean that Peter was an evil being named Satan, or was Peter being an adversary? Consider what I said about Zeus above. The Satan spoken of in Numbers 22 was an angel that assisted God, not an evil being. Biblical Scholar John Epps wrote that it is illogical to conclude that a word means what people believe it means, if it can be demonstrated repeatedly that it it means something else.

If you think Lucifer provides an explanation for who Satan is, a man named Jerome made a translational error and turned a king of Babylon, a physical person, into a fallen angel. The Book of Isaiah was written somewhere between 681 and 734 B.C. More than a thousand years later, Jerome was commissioned by the Pope to make an official "revision" of the Latin versions of the Bible. Jerome made a mistake and changed the Hebrew word heylel to the Latin world Lucifer, which means light (lux) bearer (ferous), which is different that what heylel means. Heylel comes from the primitive root word halal. Halal is used 165 times in the Old Testament and means either praise, glory, boast, mad, shine, foolish, fools, commended, rage, celebrate, give, marriage, renowned, and in the erroneous way Jerome used it in the Book of Isaiah.

I don't mean to suggest that no unfriendly beings exist at all, but the Bible doesn't provide a clear, accurate and consistent explanation of who and what such beings are.

Please don't be afraid to consider what I said above. Despite what your preacher or whoever says, it is okay for you to use your intelligence. God won't become angry at you if you use your intelligence with good intentions.

Regarding homosexuality being a sin, what does your intelligence and heart tell you about homosexuality?

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Re: The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by kaffie27 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:10 am

Wow. I really appreciate your detailed explanation of the Satan misinterpretation. I was raised Baptist and, well, let's just say I was a recovering Baptist for many years. 15 years sober.

Thank you for the gentle reminder that just as I had sewn seeds of Christianity, then I can now respectfully sew seeds that challenge the religious systems and let it grow on its own.

When I ask Christians who wrote their Bible, they dutifully say God.

So I ask again who actually put pen to papyrus, and they say well, men and some women.

Then who literally wrote it?

Just as I used to believe and propagate, they say it was written by people "inspired by God."

I ask if I said a butterfly bush burst into flames and told me to write a new book of the Bible, would they believe me?

Sadly they can blow it all off by stating that Satan has possessed me.

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Re: The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by Albert Haust » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:51 pm

Kaffie 27 said: "When I ask Christians who wrote their Bible, they dutifully say God."

Albert repsonds: "In whatever manner God exists, it is probably better if we use our intelligence when we respond to what he wants. Who do we fool if due to man created and fear based dogma, we don't allow ourselves to use our intelligence, intuition and common sense?

Here is another example of how "Satan" is used in a way that doesn't reflect what many Christians believe about Satan. The Book of Job. Members of the so-called Heavenly Court appeared to God including the accuser Satan. Even though God is supposed to be all knowing, he asked Satan where he came from. Satan answered, I have been patrolling the Earth, watching everything that's going on."

To make a long story short, God asked Satan if he had noticed his servant Job, a man who is loyal towards God. Satan says Job is loyal to God only because he is well provided for. In order to prove to Satan that Job will remain loyal to him even if he has difficulty, God supposedly allowed Satan to have Job's donkeys stolen, kill the farmhands that attended these donkeys; burn Job's sheep and kill the shepherds that watched over these sheep; kill Job's camels and the servants who watched these camels; kill Job's children; and had Job's body covered with boils from head to feet.

I find it hard to believe that this story is true. Would a being of love and wisdom actually allow some being to cause so much harm, just so he could prove a point to such being? Some fundamentalist Christians say that you shouldn't say something that is blasphemous towards God. Perhaps it is blasphemous to say that God is a being who would allow some being to do all kinds of harm to Job and the people Job knew, just so he could prove that there is one person who is loyal to him.

I believe it is rather obvious that the Bible didn't fall out of the sky after God finished writing it. Rather, it's chapters were written, selected and translated by men. Some of the chapters are based upon word of mouth stories that were passed along for years before words were written. Numerous translations have taken place. In the days of slavery in the United States, slave owners gave their slaves versions that made it seem as if slaves should be dutiful to their owners.

When it comes to Jesus, I don't know, but my guess is that he was a man of wisdom. How accurately the gospels represent his life and what he said I don't know. I like the sermon of the mount. I also like his parables. I believe it is possible that he told his parables because he understood that to some extent his life and what he said would be misrepresented, and he hoped that it would be difficult to do the same with his parables without losing their meaning.

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Re: The last Bible book of Revelations and 666 the number of the beast

Post by ab3787 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:39 pm

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