arel wrote:Mind is never absent.
I think you need to clarify your definition of "mind".
arel wrote:Even when thinking stops, knowledge of something always goes on
Yes, something is known. But that is not a function of the mind, since the mind, when present, itself is known.
arel wrote:even in deep presence, to know it, there is mind that records the knowledge of aware space being present as the forefront of experience.
Again, the mind is not the knower. There is experience of some sort that is known. Then there may come thoughts in form of memories about that experience later, which also are known. Also, I would like to know what you mean be "deep presence". It there different levels of presence?
arel wrote:Please tell me when mind is absent.
Again, it depends on you definition of "mind". I would say absence of mind is the absence of thoughts.
arel wrote:It's with mind I can say that yes, there is always awareness, in the background of every experience, and non-experience as well (sleep), but I can only say this using mind or in retrospect, reflecting on my experience right now.
Correct, it is with mind that you can SAY this. However, it is not with mind that you know this. There's a BIG difference.
arel wrote:We are not using word Presence in the same way. I guess it is more accurate to use it as Presence of self-awareness. Is that always present?
Okay, so you say "presence" is the same as "Self-awareness", which is what exactly? How do you define "Self-awareness"?
arel wrote:How about if I rephrase it "I'm not always self-aware, phenomenon of presence happens in myself, where I become aware of myself, as this now moment that is always, in every experience, and is self evident in this self aware presence" some nonsense like that
So, are you saying that you don't always know that you are?
arel wrote:Ashley wrote:
To inhere in the Self is the thing. That is all you need to do. Just rest while sensing your Self. Just hold on to the sense ‘I am’ tenaciously
Just a side note to this. The sense of 'I am' is also known.
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