Rick, if there is a point of distinction (and Sandy likely has it right), it would be at the point one realizes, in wordless thoughtless awareness, the adopted nature of the illusory thought created perspective. This is so because a clear distinction can only be seen/felt from the perspective of one's True Nature.
Webwanderer wrote:I could come in a flash, but more likely like the dawn.
WW and SandyJoy, For me it happened one day while walking the beach in San Diego in 2007. I took a job there to open a west coast division of an east coast auction company. I was utterly alone and anonymous for the first time in my life and was enjoying it immensely. But if at the time you had asked me what was non-duality, or what abiding in Awareness meant, or, what was, as Jesus speaks about, returning as a little Child or any such thing, I would have said "Beats me, what is it?" Anyway, I was walking the beach one afternoon when I was suddenly struck with a kind of "remembrance". I remembered/felt vividly the very first moment I became aware that I existed. I was very young standing inside my crib holding the rail. looking into the room, seeing the furniture, the linoleum floor, the bright sunshine poring into the room, windows open with long sheer curtains blowing gently in a soft warm breeze. And I remembered pondering wordlessly, because I didn't know any words, didn't have any word thoughts...What is the place? Who Am I? and "What is that stain on the linoleum floor?" I was recalling/remembering/re-experiencing Pure Presence, to be Purely Aware, to be the Pure Present Awareness prior to learning words or being conditioned with words, ideas, concepts, beliefs, cultural norms etc. I knew again my I AM. It didn't last long but I have never forgotten the sense of I AM it repawoke in me. Soon after this that I was introduced to Tolle and a whole series of Teachers, including William Samuel and Jeff Foster who both speak of the Child Within, that I resonate with and recognise as Knowing as I Know.
But the point is that the "Feeling"/Illumination/Re-cognition of Who I AM came back all at once, and completely, in a flash. It was as if Grace pulled back the curtain and in an instanr showed me exactly Who I AM but had "forgotten". It was joyous and magnificent, still is, but it would be a slower process of establishment in and as The Child, as there would be, and still is, the matter of disentanglement with ingrained and habitual identification with mind and thought. This, I believe, is one of the purposes of linear Time....to grow and become firmly (re)established in our True, but forgotten Self once Grace has awakened remembrance.
In doing research on the Law of Attraction in general yesterday I found a Tolle interview where he speaks to it. I also found that Andy posted this same interview on this forum back in January of this year and quite the discussion took place there from. In that discussion you answered many of my present questions most clearly and succinctly, so I will not need to ask you any more about it.
The only thing I would like to say is that in that interview I very much appreciated Tolle speaking of the two kinds of co-creation/manisfestation that can occur. The first being an outward Creation that comes from the Fullness of Being that Lacks nothing as It Is already Everything. It was interesting to note that that kind of manifestation, like Tolles books to the world, like the multiplying of the fish and bread, or the turning of water into wine, or the healing of sickness or the raising of the dead as Jesus did, or Buddha, cleaning the well water or commanding the waters to recede and such, were always for the sake of others, or for the sake of magnifying Source. The other co-creation that can clearly happen according to Tolle is creation/manifestation out of lack of Fullness, egoic need or self-centered desire for more.
Tolle: "You can create a structure that is helpful but there’s that (egoic) desire to acquire something. Some people who are very much in the egoic consciousness don’t see it so much as giving from your treasure and then creating something. You must, to some extent, have gone beyond ego if the creation comes through the fullness that you sense inside you, and from there you can truly create. In the egoic consciousness, they are also very interested in the world of form, but the egoic consciousness does not come so much from wanting to give, but wanting to have. So the ego goes, “What can I get?” and from Presence, when you participate in the creation, it’s more “What can I give birth to?” – that’s the difference"
WW, Tolle points to the very same problem I see in the Abraham-Hicks and LoA crowd. In everything I have seen or read, it is unhappy, unfulfilled people wanting/desiring more or something new for themselves, in the name of Consciousness wanting to experience of course. But where does it end? Where is the Fulfilment of True Unity of Self with Self. Where comes the Fullness that can give out of Its Eternal, Overflowing Abundance?
Jesus said that anyone who drinks the spiritual waters He gives would never lack or thirst. He was pointing to the fact that Salvation/Enlightenment is Union with the All and the All Lacks for nothing. How could it?
Mat 6:28 “And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30“But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31“Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32“For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33“But seek first Kingdom of God (within you), and all these things will be added to you."
Versus 33 points directly the truest form of the Law of Attraction as I see it.
Find Inner Union with Source, Return as the Child, Abide in Your Presence, Recognize Awareness as Who You Are and everything else will unfold exactly as it should. There will be no problem that such as These could not deal with or overcome, for Awareness Alone is Acceptance of What is, as it is, and Acceptance reveals that each problem/issue/concern contains it own perfect solution...
In closing, WW, let me just say that I've appreciated your patience and willingness to discuss these things. It has been most enlightening.