Sum quoted: smiileyjen101 wrote:
I wouldn't look at nde for evidence of permanent death, but to clair abilities for evidence of permanent life.Their bodies may not have returned, but many communicate after their bodies are well and truly 'gone'.
Sum said: Jeffrey Long's book "Evidence of the Afterlife" was mentioned earlier in the thread. I applaud his effort to take a systematic, scientific approach to understanding whether or not "clair abilities" reflect an actual ability to communicate with the energies of people that have died.
It is a good first step, but unfortunately his study design didn't rule out other possible explanations, and as such was flawed. I was disappointed to realize this, once I got into the meat of the book.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply Sum.
Can I ask though, if you have a headache coming on, do you start looking for a corn on your big toe, or do you just treat the headache?
As an empath/clair person, I am now through long years of experiencing, recognising and adjusting to it, I am now able to pretty quickly and accurately determine the source of things, but I don't 'create' the things and nor do I have the ability to 'make' them happen, so being able to 'test' them in scientific rigour ... I am happy that they are looking more at energy fields and measuring them. There is a study about to be published about energy levels in a room that were monitored and had 'significant' changes while an energy healer was in the room and healing a patient. The energy level stayed elevated for a few minutes after the healer left the room and then returned to normal. This was a co-contribution across psychiatry, physics and electrical engineering. I love the 'convergence' of disciplines now occurring in science.
But at the same time I'm not going to over-rule experiential logical reasoning and personal evidence until such time as they have an answer that 'fits' the situations. If they would get over the notion that its not real they could do so much more to understand it.
I now know the difference between psychological dumping dreams and precognitive 'viewings' whether asleep or awake by the resonance of the energy vibrations. I now know whether physical stimuli is mine or another's - when I was younger I didn't. I got hospitalised for suspected appendicitis and went through all the horrors of doctors trying to determine if it was or wasn't appendicitis or if my appendix was about to burst. I was doubled over in the pain, my boss drove me to my doctor, my doctor called an ambulance, other doctors performed invasive testing procedures and were totally confused that all the physical symptoms were there - but the 'cause' - any inflammation in my appendix wasn't.
After hours of complete hell, all of a sudden I fell into this calm, sleepy numbness, the pain disappeared and muted to a very low numb kind of throbbing in my belly. I actually upset a senior doctor who wanted to perform more tests on me and was refusing loudly because I was 'fine' now and just wanted to be left alone to sleep. He became abusive!
The next morning I found out my boyfriend had been admitted to the same hospital with a burst appendix. He'd been operated on in the middle of the night. He got out of there before I did, as that one medico wanted to continue to perform even more invasive tests and operations and was even suggesting radical surgery for some ailment he had predicted I had. I didn't have that ailment. It's not the only time that a less stronger person would have succumbed to unnecessary options.
Now I know the difference, even if I am sharing another's pain, now I know that the 'space' around it - which also has a resonance of energy, and the logic that can be applied if one gives a thing a little 'space' can be interpreted by the cognitive brain.
When my daughter was in childbirth at the end of last year I was a cat on a hot tin roof at home, mutedly bearing her 'labour' with her - but I could separate in that 'space' between us. When things got dangerous for her and the baby, I couldn't help myself but to ring the hospital to get an update on what was happening with her, and it was confirmed it had just gone pear shaped. I called again when they'd done an emergency caesarean and 'something' was terribly wrong, my girl was slipping - they couldn't speak to me when I called, she was post op haemmoraghing. To 'know' these things by feeling them is just a wider appreciation of energies in motion. To live with them, requires a very high level of being able to recognise what is real, what is not, what is 'mine', what is not, what I am able to respond to, and what I am not. It takes a huge amount of acceptance and respect and compassion.
After the birth of my grandchild my daughter and I had a conversation - my 'uncanny' calling the hospital had freaked her partner and others attending her out, and made her laugh with me, but also feel compassion for their 'concern' and angst. In a 32 hour labour and delivery I only called the twice - when shit hit the fan. We laughed, we needed to strengthen the boundaries between us - to separate a little even though our relationship has always been one of respectful independence on both sides, we cannot help but 'feel' the experiences of the other. As her primary carer for a long time and with a medical condition needing my 'attentive nature' at times that she was not able to respond to her own dangers in her body functions we had kind of blurred the boundaries and it had become normal for us to operate like that.
A few weeks later the baby got dangerously and suddenly ill, I first called their place, got no answer so I called the hospital and found they were in the emergency room. It wasn't about interfering, it was about understanding what it was I was feeling. That one really freaked her partner out because I 'couldn't even know they were at the hospital to call there'.
So we've made a pact. She will text me whenever something is happening that is likely to upset my equilibrium, rather than not tell me in an effort to not have me 'worry'. I worry more when I feel something I don't understand, as soon as I know what it is I can logically and respectfully deal with whatever it is. I'm great with the facts of a thing.
It's really cute now. I get a text.. xyz is happening.. will let you know.... I text back, thanks, hugs all. and can let my 'feelings' just resonate without concern. Until I understood and accepted all this I would either be wrongly diagnosed with something that wasn't mine, or at the other end of the scale I would ignore something that was mine and needed my attention.
I don't deny that there could be some truth to such abilities, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be clear evidence for them at this time. Hopefully someone will take another stab at systematically studying these claims. It's not that difficult, for example, to design a study that places a telepath in a laboratory and determines whether they are able to accurately determine what color the person is thinking of more often than would be possible through chance alone. The studies I've read that have done this have failed to find evidence for supernatural claims. This doesn't prove they don't exist, only that they haven't been supported yet by reliable evidence.
I don't think they are supernatural. I think they are natural and either denied or misunderstood. From this perspective there is lots of clear evidence, but they have to be taken in context and as they occur.
My whole being would go 'pfffftttt' at reading anyone else's mind - it's not my place or business. Its love... the energy of love and compassion that links us at this higher level, not the factors of perception and perspective and ... I don't know how else to say it but it's not a parlour game and to use or treat it so is .... not impossible maybe, but ....so out of line with what it is.
It's the same with clair abilities - you get idiots saying well they could give you the lotto numbers.... that's the limited, materialistic perspective that just has no place, no substance and cannot be 'entertained' in that light.