Jen said: You don't have to experience a particular event to notice the difference in those who have experienced it, and if willing learn from their experiences. It's called having empathy.
IMO, this has nothing to do with empathy.
Karmarider said:I don't think it's fair to draw conclusions about empathy.
Wiki Empathy is the capacity to recognize feelings that are being experienced by another sentient being.
Guess I'm looking at it from the other side of the perspective of experience. After 30 years of it, I guess I should be used to it.dictionary - em·pa·thy noun
1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
Efforts on my part to assist science and humanity understand and accept include -
Subjecting myself willingly and voluntarily to
- drug testing and chemical analysis of drug effects on my physical being - all negative for 'possible' influence of the effects described; and comparison with drug induced hallucenogenic experiences and mind states disturbances as known side effects of particular drugs; even though at the time it was already known that I was not under any drug treatment.
- physio-analytical testing including EEGs, CT scans, and MRI scans - all showing no possible causal linkages between my experiences and the effects of them and any knowable workings of my brain activity in different neurally stimulated exercises - my brain is normal.
-psychiatric and psychosomatic analysis including against standard criteria of just about every personality disorder, memory disorder, scale of understanding the difference between dream state, fear state, perspectives, reality, reasonalbleness - I am 'normal' and do not suffer from any known mental or physical affliction that can even remotely explain it.
-participating in studies and courses working with the effects and the experience - now that is a pleasure because it starts from the premise that we experienced exactly what we say we did, and moves on from there.
I have been participating in the scientific and humanistic study for more than 30 years now. There are many many thousands who are doing the same.
Quite frankly, if it didn't happen I wouldn't be who I am now.
You may see it as a perspective of something outside of your experience.
As males you can't experience childbirth either, this experience is - how as a mother who adores my children can I say this experience is more, more life-changing, more gobsmacking, more eye opening, more enlightening, more everything. So more everything that even the death of two of my children and many of my friends and family since is met with gratitude and generousity - the true balance of love.
It's not about ruffling my feathers - please just say you haven't had that experience so you cannot judge.
Whether you are interested in reading, hearing or even as much as you can understanding those who have had it, or those that do want to learn because they see something different in the way those of us who have this first hand knowledge approach life - don't call us delusional or imagining or liars, or acting in fear when none of that is true - and as far as science can and does prove that, I have the proof of that and so do many others by being willing to allow science to use us as guinea pigs for their latest measures and theories.
In 30 years no one has given me any other explanation that hasn't been disproved. What more can I do? I don't need to convince you I don't care what you believe, but please be fair - the truth is you cannot judge the path of another soul, you can only be empathetic in considering another's experience.