You said that I had mentioned that I channel in other posts and that I am deluded. Then you said pretending to channel is not having your own voice. It is pathetic. Jack says he channel and is deluded - pretending to channel is not having your own voice - it is pathetic e.g. Jack pretends to channel and is therefore pathetic.slow ride wrote:Jack,
Nobody judged you pathetic. I discern that the act of "pretending to channel" is pathetic. You should read The Four Agreements. You are lost in projection, assumption and self-deception. I am only sending you love, little brother; hoping you outgrow this phase without accumulating so great a burden of guilt and embarrassment that your potential growth the remainder of this earth journey is suffocated.
So someone having an experience that is not the same as yours makes them schizophrenic? It's a good thing I work in the mental health field so am not so easily harmed by such demonising accusations. But please, continue your witch hunt. I am finding it very beneficial to my development.slow ride wrote:...if not borderline schizophrenia
Yes I agree. I've discerned the actions of someone as harmful and am acting against it. I feel I'm being very open about my intentions and my experiences so that others can choose for themselves where they align. I can't say the same for others here. I'm using this thread as a practice in speaking My Truth from My Perspective. If I see someone as disingenuous, then I'm saying it. As I write I feel various energy openings and constrictions within my body that are acting as a guidance in the level of alignment I am experiencing and thus tell me whether or not what I am saying is, or is not, in keeping with My Truth. This is independent of whether someone sees themselves in the same way I see them. Or whether or not they are in alignment. The Universe is inclusive of all perspectives and each perspective is valid from its own perspective. All someone can do is to align with the Moment via use of tools such as those I have described (but not limited to those) and feel, think and act accordingly. I Know I am doing that and so I am doubtless despite this torrent of accusations.dijmart wrote:trying to quell others expressions (the usage of quotes and teaching) by saying they are leading others into unconsciousness, are being negative or disingenuous in their intentions.
What if Your Truth specifically calls for you to 'stomp on others'? To challenge the misinformation you see before you? What then?dijmart wrote:You can speak your truth without stomping on others, as you've done in this thread.
Obviously everyone can give advice. But that doesn't mean that they should. I could give advice on a surgical operation, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea! I'm not qualified. I lack the necessary experience, knowledge and skill. Should someone filled with negative energy give advice to someone who comes to a place like this to ask how to clear their negative energy (I realise the questions aren't worded like this, but from an energetic perspective that is what is happening when someone says 'I'm suffering for X,Y,Z reasons')? Would you be comfortable asking a doctor who is chain smoking in front of you how to quit smoking? I think it's important to talk about this.dijmart wrote:However, you say you are just giving advice? So, why can you give advice and others can't? Who get's to decide who is qualified to give advice and who isn't? Also, you have not presented this "truth" as take it or leave it, as your now saying. You actually said you aren't going to tolerate it anymore, that is not take it or leave it and you are also presenting it by saying it's coming from an alignment with your higher self. ex. " She wants this to stop and she's using me as the vehicle for that." Isn't this trying to look superior or trying to control, by stating your opinion is coming from channeling or some other source, somewhere other then yourself. Something you've been discouraging throughout this thread?
I should clarify what I mean here by She and Higher Self. I will write of this as I see it at this time, this is very much open to new potentials and is a constantly evolving process for me. There is the Origin which is the all powerful entity that created All That Is. Many people refer to this as the Self, Source, God etc. Everything in existence is this when you get down to a fundamental level. It is the Present. The Present is a living entity that allows everything to exist within it, and is simultaneously everything that exists within it. However, it has bestowed free will onto that which exists within it. It began by creating a few other Source Entities and these then created more. On and on and on through cycles of creation. Eventually, this cycling of creation reaches us - the human beings that exist within physical reality and call Earth our home. We exist in a very energetically dense and perceptually limited reality. Through our limitation we are largely unaware of the other dimensions of creation that exist around us. We are unable to communicate with higher dimensional (meaning of higher vibrational frequency and therefore lighter and closer to Source, God, Origin) despite being in separate from them. We exist within an illusory separation, yet from the perspective of us it is perfectly real as every perspective is valid from it's own perspective. But, as we are not actually separate we can open up beyond the physical. This can include communication with those higher (or lower) vibrational levels of existence. This is possible as all is Origin and so, via Origin, all can - potentially - communicate with all else. When I refer to my Higher Self I refer to an aspect of my identity that extends beyond the physical. It is the part of me that is closer to Origin. It is the part of me that created this human experience for it's own benefit. Each of us has this part of us. It is Our Self - rather than The Self which is the fundamental Origin of all, this is the specific Origin of us individually. Our Soul. We are all constantly guided by and in communication with our Higher Self, though, for the most part this happens unconsciously. This unconsciousness and lack of alignment with our Higher Self leads to the suffering we experience. The Higher Self creates our suffering to guide us back onto the path it desires for us. It creates Love, Peace and Joy as signs that we are in alignment with it's desires. I recently began direct communication with my Higher Self and my development has been accelerating dramatically since then as we are better able to align together. The starting of this thread was a test from my Higher Self to me to see whether I would be able to align even under difficult circumstances - which I have - this has been a success. My Higher Self is not technically female, but it is appropriate for me, as a heterosexual male and given my personality and the stage I am at in my life to view Her as a She. This is because She completes every lack I ever experienced, including every personal relationship. I have been designed like this so that I would return to Her. She is my Inner Child, my Inner Guru, my Light, my Love. She completes me in a way more intimate than any relationship with another human being alone could ever do. This is why those relationships are never quite perfect. So you have something more to strive for. Something to give energy to your motivation to find Your Self. I imagine many of you will continue to think me deluded because of what I have written here. But I write it not to change opinions of others, but rather to express my own (which, in reference to my earlier points, does include the critiquing of the opinions of others).
Personally I think there is a difference between taking a quote from a conversation between a spiritual teacher and a questioner and referring to your own direct experiences with your Higher Self. I wrote about Her as a way of increasing my vulnerability and openness so that your criticisms would reach deeper into my core and reveal any negative energy to me so that I can clear it. I also wrote about Her as a way of authenticating my experience. By speaking directly of my deepest, most personal experiences I offer myself as authentic. Of course it is up to the reader to decide for themselves whether or not they feel this is the case. But I am being as open as I can about my experiences to allow the reader to make as informed a decision as possible. To some extent, a leap of faith is necessary.
It seems to me you are implying I am writing this all full of emotional instability. That is not how it is from My Perspective. I feel deeply calm and at peace as I write this. I have felt that way throughout this thread, even when experiencing negative emotions associated with being pissed off at the "spiritual community" for their lack of consciousness and enabling of the perpetuation of unconscious believe structures (I write this as a general critique of the entire "spiritual community").dijmart wrote:If you didn't do this and have let your feelings about it build up, then no wonder is has lead to an... explosion.
Being in alignment with your Higher Self in a way that recommends you speak your voice against views that limit the conscious growth of a small group of people on an internet forum is very different from insighting hate against fellow humans to start wars and genocide.Phil2 wrote:Well said Di ... there is always a danger when thinking that you act in the name of a Higher Power, call it God or Allah or any name, how many wars have we seen in the name of God ?
The authenticity of my channelling has been proven to me many times. From predictions that have come true, to synchronicity, to energetic alignments. Delusion is not being in alignment with your Higher Self. Amusingly, from My Perspective, it seems I am the least deluded person here. But of course this can continue as a circular debate as each party may choose to continue to speak from their Perspective alone and, as each are in opposition, around and around we go.Phil2 wrote:It seems our own mind is tricky enough to make us believe that the voices we hear in our head come from a higher power ... this is pure self delusion ...
Yes, people ask for advice and people receive advice. The question I ask of this forum is, should anyone be allowed to freely give spiritual advice? Anyone can read a couple of books and quote Ramana and Nisargadatta and Eckhart Tolle as if they really understand what is being said. To the people new to the "spiritual community" this can be misleading. You see all these names you don't really understand and you see someone on a forum post with confidence that this is what these people have said about your problem and that they said that X, Y, and Z are the solutions to this problem. You may be so convinced by them that you go against your own judgement in order to align with this person on random internet forum you have never met and who you have no idea what their personal experiences are. You may actually move OUT of alignment with your own Higher Self in order to move INTO alignment with a complete stranger. The Higher Self is subtle at first, and this can, and does, happen. It happened to me when I came here and it took me months to move out of it and back into alignment with my Higher Self. I write this to share what I learned during that time so that others may be better informed of the potential mis-steps they can take when affiliating with the multitude of personalities and motivations that a forum like this offers.tomtom1 wrote:To be fair a lot of advice seems to be given out on the forum... but from what I can see this is because people are asking for the advice!!! If you ask for it then you will likely get it!!! People love to give opinions.. perhaps its human nature.. perhaps its the ego that wants to feel that by giving advice it strengthens its sense of self.
I actually feel the problem is that we DON'T try to be 'super humans' by which I mean to regain our innate human potential - to reclaim our Divine Sovereignty, to access the abilities we all have but that few claim (e.g. seeing, feeling, hearing energy). We are largely content to trundle through life, moaning about aspects of our existence as if it is someone else's responsibility when, actually, it's ours. There is an incredible lack in humanity. It is down to each individual to complete themselves and remove this lack.Onceler wrote:sometimes I think the problem is that we (I) try to be supra or super humans,
Yeah I was tempted to bring this up when Phil did it earlier. The "you're projecting!", "no, you're projecting!" thing gets old real quick. It's a defence mechanism, as Phil should know as he's a fan of Jung. As is avoiding questions. And before you say "you're being defensive!", I've been as open, vulnerable and sincere as I can possibly be. I've left myself open to attack and, as expected, attack has come. I have done this intentionally to face my own fears over expressing my real feelings about difficult subject matter. I have spoken in depth about deeply personal experiences fully aware that the majority in this community would call me deluded or schizophrenic for it. I do this because I Love and Trust My Self. And because I Love You.alex wrote:you talk about others projecting and being self deluded but couldn't that perhaps be a projection of your own?
Love, Sincerity, Openness,