Alex said: Jen, sure... it's all beautiful and yummy and we're all just where we're meant to be.. but it doesn't mean we can't make movements to change the world for the better, to light the fire of truth in other's hearts. What's the point of every spiritual teacher out there? Why do they bother to teach? If one is operating from a higher consciousness (not saying I'm certain that Jack is) and sees unconsciousness in those seeking truth then of course the natural progression is to guide them to where they are stuck and what they can't see. Your post sounded like a pretty way of saying 'it's all a yummy big goop of okayness, really, so let's not bother doing anything about all the suffering.'
Go Alex!! I love you girl!!
This ^ post for me is an example of where one, by example, creates an opening for one to encourage - not 'save', not 'rescue' but encourage - there's an energetic difference. It's a difference in acceptance of what is, enjoyment in what is and enthusiasm that feels 'yum' rather than 'yuck'.
"When you can be as happy in your sorrow as you are in your joy..."
So, for me what indeed is the point of every spiritual teacher out there? (Apart from giving us delicious little word quotes and sound bites that resonate with authenticity & wisdom that we feel harmoniously at our core and adopt with respect
From the Coelho quote - to BE by example. As soon as any 'guru' starts using their opinions as gospel and making an enemy, obstacle, or means to an end of their awareness, or the awareness of others the energy changes. No thing 'wrong' with this, and it particularly seems to happen in the early stages of new stages of awareness until one learns to walk in the new energy.
Have you ever been in the company of a newly 'Born Again' anything ....
They for all the world know who is going to hell and how they're getting there - in the zealousness of their new opinions. There's a difference between spiritual zealousness, and spiritual enthusiasm. One embraces, is in acceptance, enjoyment &or enthusiasm; the other separates - making enemy, obstacle, means to an end of a thing, person or situation. These differences are resonantly distinct - even when cloaked in the 'name of God'.
So I felt saying that unconsciousness is not okay --- was tipping into zealousness, and for me it was the same resonance / frequency of resistance to what is and the awareness, capacity & willingness of others, as Slow ride's opinions as to the cause of Zen's channelling awareness.
The straddling that I mentioned as seeing evidence that E2B is doing - in this quote is just yet another layer of awareness, building on capacity, and energising willingness.
I want to say E2B you are nailing the balancing act in awareness, capacity & willingness in self and others' perspectives and personal responsibilities.
Arthur's 'nudging' told by Katie above absolutely would have been helpful & respectful encouragement - hey guys, I know this is a shit situation, here's a possible way forward ..... (Katie you can correct me if I'm wrong). Not you guys are idiots for carrying on this way, can't you see you're creating your own suffering... and by the way that snake dance ... are you sure you lot aren't genetically insane??
Your post sounded like a pretty way of saying 'it's all a yummy big goop of okayness, really, so let's not bother doing anything about all the suffering.
I can appreciate that's how you interpreted it Alex, but if you read it again you will realise that no where in there did I actually say that - you - in your awareness, capacity & willingness interpreted, translated & responded to what it 'said to you', which is different to 'what I said'. Not rightly or wrongly, I appreciate you sharing your perspective.
It gives me an opportunity to express encouragement, because actually doing anything about suffering - rather than just having and supporting and expressing opinions about it - takes a great deal more awareness, capacity & willingness about the straddling in many directions and the impact that any action on our part will naturally have on others.
Look around the world for a moment and truly see how much suffering is being caused by making enemy, obstacle, means to an end of suffering in the name of 'helping' - all the wars, all the famines, all the domestic violence, all the preventable diseases, all the prisons are full.
However, if we were willing to put our awareness & capacity towards solutions in acceptance of 'what is', only then can we seek to act wisely and respectfully. It takes more conscious energy to consult to increase our awareness on and of issues in order to really understand them - rather than already have an opinion about them that we will fight over to maintain; to resource in healing and growing capacity rather than just shoot, bomb, destroy or incarcerate our 'enemies'; and act continuously in harmony with awareness and respect for all the perspectives in awareness, capacity & willingness, rather than siding with one or two of them and then ordering people to do as we would like.
We cannot do this if at the outset we use our opinions as if they are gospel. As soon as we narrow the focus we lose touch with others, and that's how we win the battles, but lose the war, create winners and losers, even in good intention.
By example, not by opinion, we change the world.
The mention of the butterfly is not just a flowery nicey nicey thing either. It is true we would damage the next stage if we circumvent (or seek to hurry along) any of the steps in the unfolding process - and it is a wonderful example in nature of the incredible cycle of life, precious in all our stages of it. One might think of our unaware stage as the caterpillar - there is no thing wrong with being a caterpillar - it's wonderful. Then one might think of our awakening as the metamorphic stage.
If we were to animate the creature in this timelapse video - imagine it at the stage where it unfolds its tiny wings before its fully grown wings emerge - it would be as excited as Zen
but it would be unwise of it to say "Hey all you caterpillars down there --- look --- do this --- I've got wings!!! How cool is this!! Climb up here, it's wrong for you all to stay down there on the ground eating leaves, quick, climb up here!!!
All before it's even fully grown its own wings able to take flight
Another character might be a concerned and careful caterpillar on the ground saying, "Don't listen to him, that will never happen to us, it would mean we've totally lost our minds. We just need to keep eating these leaves and we'll find our way home another way, there's a bullfrog over there who knows all about it, so don't listen to him".
Yes action is part of it, but all in its own time, respectful of differences in awareness, capacity & indeed, willingness. If a caterpillar says, 'No way, I'm not climbing up on a tree'... they're telling you they are not ready.