Wow! There's so much going on here! What a mixture of Fear and Love - the Real Symphony of Life!
KathleenBrugger wrote:hat's interesting that you say the experience you can point to happened a couple of days after you started a thread entitled "I am enlightened."
Sorry that was a typo
I meant a couple of days BEFORE I started this thread.
KathleenBrugger wrote:I have written a number of times on this forum about my neighbor
Yes I remember you talking about her. I was thinking about her recently and wondering where she's at with all this. What her Experience is. I don't know much about Avaita. I'm not affiliated with any traditions. Nor do I wish to be. I've always felt Advaita was about excluding and suppressing - probably because of my interactions with Gary Weber (who I like to call 'the spider'
) who urged me to destroy my sense of self, that it is an enemy, that it would deceive me, and that thoughts are an enemy and must be suppressed. I moved his way for a time, and he was very happy with my progress, but after a while I realised he was going about it totally the wrong way and that INCLUSION, not EXCLUSION is the way to the True Inner Being. Because EXCLUSION is a back-tracking into an inward moving spiral of creation that secludes itself from Itself. While INCLUSION is an outward moving spiral of creation that unwinds the inner spiraling of EXCLUSION (which is fear/ignorance etc.) until it is all unwound and the full Light of Our Ever Present Being is All.
I want to know what keymaster has to say about this
no but really, before I understood what enlightment is all about, I used to expect (and fear) that some kind of supernatural event would occur to me the moment I'm awakened but people here have told me that I'm awakening and nothing out of the ordinary has ever happened. I know it's just my limited perspective but your experience is just too out-there for me and I guess that makes me ignorant in your book. However, I think it was brave of you to share this with us and risk being labelled as coo-coo. I think that maybe you should take a break from all of this, maybe it has gone too far up in your head, I know what obsessions can do to you; you start giving meaning to everything to support your belief.
I loved this Clouded! Thanks! Each have their own way to walk. I'm so appreciative of your acknowledgement of my bravery. It is that. I see Bravery as the courage to exposure and embrace your fears in the full Light of your unflinching Heart. To not recoil from the Truth of the Immense Glory that you ARE. Bless your Heart for your recommendations. You know, I feel that we all share the same Heart. So, if there is ignorance in one
heart, then is ignorance in every
heart. So I see ignorance in you, of course! I see ignorance in everyone here! Including myself! Ever am I looking into my Heart to explore ignorance within it and to Illuminate that ignorance through my Knowing of it. I do not perceive this process will ever end - not just in this human lifetime, but beyond, for converting ignorance to Knowing is the food of our True Being.
Clouded wrote:I want to know what keymaster has to say about this
Haha - yes I've wondered that myself - he was an interesting guy
Onceler wrote:He is our manned mission to parts unknown.
I love that! I boldly go where no Jack has gone before!
Filander wrote:It is true that interest in "content rich" experiences declines as awakening progresses
Who says this is true?
Filander wrote:I like slaughtering fellow gamers in cyberspace, doubt very much that any of the teachers referenced in this forum would. Most of my favorite pastimes would probably make ET nauseous if he were made to try them.
"The enemy has the flag! Blast him Eckhart! Blow his legs off!"
Haha! I love that imagery! You know, I'm a huge fan of League of Legends. Not to play it, but to watch it. The world championship is on at the moment. I love, so much, to watch the excitement in the fans as they support their favourite team. Unlike most mainstream sports, e-sports (or, LoL at least) is so much more friendly and inviting. The respect the players show each other is delightful! I've learned a lot just by being Present and enjoying it all!
There seems to be a movement that thinks that Spirituality needs to be all lifeless and specific to defined parameters. If Spirit is to be defined in any way, it would be through it's willingness to expand and move beyond parameters - including of course, this definition! To embrace and enjoy the Life that it IS. The only difference in spiritual value between one situation (e.g. a talk by some high and mighty spiritual master) and another (e.g. watching computer games) is the Experience of the individual doing the Perceiving. Life is the Teacher. Experience is the Master. And you ARE THAT!
kafi wrote:I can also relate to the throat chakra issue.
Yes, I remember you saying about that. I think it was one of the things that led me to explore my throat chakra opening (which is described in my blog not on this thread).
kafi wrote:I have read your blog and am curious how this will develop.
I have a few ideas
kafi wrote:I don’t think, though, that every path to awakening needs to be like your path. There are many different paths. Some folks are fine with strict Advaita. If it works for them, why not? Jed McKenna woke up just by writing down repeatedly what he thought was true until he found a true statement. And just via this writing process, he came to the conclusion that he doesn’t know anything and all that he is sure of is “I am and I am consciousness”. No angelic choirs required.
I agree that every path is unique. But I think we need to be open about what we mean by terms like awakening and enlightenment in order to have a serious discussion to compare the experiences of specific individuals to authenticate all our experiences - or rather, to allow others to gain a deep insight into these experiences so they may make an informed decision as to whether or not to align with the way this Being is expressing itself. I empathise with what you're saying. I felt that way for a long time. But, I feel this way of thinking can be a bit limiting. We can only progress as far as we are willing to embrace ourselves as able. Meaning, if you can believe you are it, then you are it. I Am That I Am. My feeling is that the depth of this statement is determines by the purity of the Heart and the openness of the Mind. If you are willing to say that these people are enlightened, then you limit yourself to their way of expressing themselves. If you say, this person is enlightened, and he said there are no angels, then you probably won't open in this way. Which means you are not open to an aspect of Creation. An aspect of yourself. So you are closed to an aspect of yourself. So you are ignorant of an aspect of yourself. An aspect yet to be illuminated. An aspect yet to be Enlightened. So you have further to go. And are limited by your alignment with those who also have further to go. Passing responsibility to anyone outside yourself will limit you in some way. The best way to rapid progress is faith in your own Heart and the Bravery to expose and embrace your Fears to the Light of your True Being.
This is a lot of fun! Thanks for all the questions and comments!
I love you!