Jack, I'm not here to diagnose you.
You already did. Are you back pedaling?
Another reason I like the onion peeling metaphor is there's always a lot of crying when you realize you've got more layers to peel!Enlightened2B wrote:Nice post Kathleen. Same for me as far as peeling the onion reference.KathleenBrugger wrote:I've missed you Jack! Glad someone pulled you in. Interesting that now you say you don't feel as if you're enlightened. This is why I think of spirituality as peeling an onion. You can peel off a layer and feel for a time as if you have escaped the constraints of the mind, and then sometime later you look and realize there are more layers to peel.
For a time period, when I first joined this board, I thought I was enlightened after a huge awakening I had. Over time, the more relating I did with other people and the more experience I had, I realized I was not enlightened at all. I had a lot of fear still. Granted, this has nothing to do with what Jack's saying. I'm just referencing your 'peeling the layers' reference which I liked.
That's why anytime you think you're 'there', it only becomes another fixed mental position and what happens when that bubble is burst is suffering. Our awareness from the limited soul perspective is always expanding greater and greater closer to the One Awareness which we all already are. To think I would have ever embraced the notion of non physical realities is almost laughable when I initially grasped Eckhart's teachings. Awakening is an ever growing process of becoming aware of that which we used to be so closed off to. Nothing new is actually happening. It's just our willingness to see that which has always been there. Becoming aware through our willingness to see that which used to not want to see. It's all here for us if we just allow ourselves to move through it.
There is a French wisdom saying "chassez le naturel, il revient au galop." which could be translated as "when what is natural is driven off, it soon returns at a gallop. "dijmart wrote:Ekidhardt, I got your number back in 2013...right? I can see you haven't changed one bit, even though you PM'd me recently to see if all was well...I said, "no problem" .. right? I retract that now. You're an ass. EN2B and Zen are my friends...period..end of conversation! They are good people and you're an idiot.
Moderator note: Dijmart, please refrain from calling names in this forum. If you do so, you invite the same from others. You are capable of much better.
Yes Di, this is exactly how ego operates ... dichotomies, duality ... dividing the world in friends and enemies ... likes and dislikes ... "good people" and "idiots" ...dijmart wrote:Ekidhardt, You're an ass. EN2B and Zen are my friends...period..end of conversation! They are good people and you're an idiot.
Yes, I'm in such a frenzy hereekidhardt wrote:
You're in a similar circumstance with Dijmart, neither of you seem to agree with what I have to say (which is expected)--and it seems to work you guys up into a bit of a frenzy. Maybe consider that what I'm saying has more content than what you feel it has, because it does.
absofuckinglutely. Nicely said Jack. That's why Love is always what is, and only seems otherwise by our subjective experience.EnterZenFromThere wrote:Hi Di lovely to see you again! And KB and E2B and Onceler and Phil!
Haha I love that Clark Kent comment
I love reading your posts E2B so much wisdom and compassion - so beautiful. I didn't know how much I'd missed reading them until I came back.
I love the dissemination of your perspective here as you tried to understand ekid. How you don't blame him for seeing things in a way that conflicts with your own perspective, because he's operating from within his perspective and from that perspective his view is valid. Beautiful! We all operate from within our own subjective bubble. Every experience we have occurs through it and is, therefore, biased by it. It's so easy to forget that. And to think we exist in one objective reality, rather than trillions of subjective (and ultimately inseparate) realities.
The Buddha speaks of enlightenment. But he knows that enlightenment is nothing. When you wake up from the dream of self and other, you realize that it was never real. You’ve been asleep because you have been believing stories that were so compelling that they created even the storyteller.
If someone says, “Katie, are you enlightened?” I answer, “How would I know? I know freedom. I know the difference between what hurts and what doesn’t hurt, and that’s enough.” Separation hurts. Any identity, no matter how enticing it may be—for example, bodhisattva, Buddha—understates the truth, since it adds a name to what is complete and nameless. All names create distance; they require an identity and lead us to assume that there are separate beings, and thus they point away from reality. And the name “enlightenment” leaves you with something to attain. It’s a word full of effort. It leaves you as the one who is seeking an authentic identification, and on the other end of it “I am the one who has found it” is just as limited as “I am the one who is seeking it.” No home, no home, home, homelessly home.
Oopsie, had a couple glasses of wine last nightdijmart wrote:Moderator note: Dijmart, please refrain from calling names in this forum. If you do so, you invite the same from others. You are capable of much better.
That gets me every time too… Never drink and post.dijmart wrote:Oopsie, had a couple glasses of wine last nightdijmart wrote:Moderator note: Dijmart, please refrain from calling names in this forum. If you do so, you invite the same from others. You are capable of much better.