Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:40 pm
Nice posts smileyjen. Took me a while to read them, but worth the read most certainly.
A discussion community revolving around Eckhart Tolle but not limited to him
Limiting beliefs about what is possible to do or not, that gets possible/impossible because we believe it to be. When collective belief systems change our abilities change with them and more things become possibleEnterZenFromThere wrote:Could you describe what you mean by the 'human agreement'?
Nope, and if someone is 110% sure that humans can fly he or she will find a way to do it in some way; airplane, sky diving, lucid dreaming, astral projection etcEnterZenFromThere wrote:Do we all agree that.Maringa wrote:we all agree on "humans cannot fly", "humans cannot run in 80 mph" etc,
I'm like a greedy child wanting these special powers because "everyone else have them" I will just relax and be ok with the way things allready areEnterZenFromThere wrote:If you want the toy too much and get stressed, the parent may be less likely to buy you the toy because it feels it might not be best for you, as it may reinforce a maladaptive type of behaviour. If you are relaxed and calm and the parent believes it is in your best interest to enjoy the toy, then it may be more likely to buy it for you. Your desire combined with your demonstration that you are ready for the gift will greatly increase your likelihood of developing it.
Thank you very much for your lengthy answer, I do believe I get it now. It's all about perception and beliefs? I limit myself, and if I could relax and just "be" I would be able to see more?smiileyjen101 wrote:Lovely discourse you two
Not if you 'could' you 'would' ...Maringa said:
Thank you very much for your lengthy answer, I do believe I get it now. It's all about perception and beliefs? I limit myself, and if I could relax and just "be" I would be able to see more?
I so want to say -... dear Maringa, you already do, are, be 'more', (than your mind 'thinks' you do / be / are) you just don't notice it or acknowledge it amid the cacophony of physical sensing & 'could' and 'would' framing that pushes it away from you to some time other than nowCould and would are passive projective states;
The separations in time, and in energy are created by the mind, they are not real, they are a way of the brain insulating so that it can prioritise and organise what it shall 'think' about by attention - at tension to whatever. Thinking creates its own resonant energetic movement, arising and falling, ebbing and flowing. It's not the only arising and falling, ebbing and flowing going on, it's just what the mind 'selects' as important by attention and feeding energy into it.ET: Presence is pure consciousness - consciousness that has been reclaimed from the mind, from the world of form.
The 'isness' the ineffable, indescribable IS back in that chart is merely awareness of being. We 'feel' it and we 'know' it rather than 'think' or 'imagine' it.ET says, the word unmanifested attempts, by way of negation, to express that which cannot be spoken, thought or imagined. It points to what it is by saying what it is not. Being, on the other hand, is a positive term.
Thanks for taking the time to respond!EnterZenFromThere wrote:I wouldn't say that I no longer feel fear, but my relationship with fear has changed a lot. I used to see fear as something I needed to escape from. If I felt anxious about something I either needed to ignore it and hope it went away or fight through it. I still do that sometimes, but I also have a lot more love and respect for fear. I appreciate the value of it. It's a part of me. Like every individual fear is a living entity. That these fears (and all other feelings) combine together to create me like cells combine together to create the physical body. They are trying to tell me their wisdom - like if I put my hand on something hot the nerves in my hand would send me messages that I'm in pain, my fears are doing the same. Ignoring them or fighting them is just a sign for them that they need to make more noise so their wisdom is heard. It's like keeping my hand in the fire. Exploring, respecting and embracing their wisdom is incredibly valuable to me.NateDeezy wrote:I was no longer afraid in public. I felt pure bliss. Is this your experience? Like is there anything you're afraid to do now in teems of anything that can't harm you?
I used to try and be some kind of perfect spiritual being, totally free from fear and suffering. Now I feel like that is chasing my shadow. I can create the ideal spiritual persona and try and live up to it. But it's just an idea. It's only in my imagination. There isn't any real spiritually perfect being, only what people imagine a spiritually perfect being to be. If we imagine we have to be that, we limit ourselves to the imperfection of our imagination. We create a weight of expectation on ourselves and strive to maintain it. We hinder our greater being in creating us in a freer way. Sometimes I like to imagine ways I'd like to be and explore creating that for myself. Other times I like to let go of any attempt to define myself and let go into the greater aspects of my Self. Regardless of which method I'm using, fear and love (repulsion and attraction) feel like the fundamental guiding energies that lead me to greater wisdom.
Sometimes I wish I wasn't afraid of something - but I know the fear is like a bubble of wisdom, waiting for my attention to pop it and fill me with it's wisdom.
How do you feel about yourself now? Do you wish you could go back to that time that you didn't feel afraid? Or do you feel comfortable with where you are? How do you explore spirituality? I hope it's all going well.
I love that I know what you mean, sometimes when I'm in that kind of mode of being I looked at something totally ordinary and feel overwhelmed by the beauty of it.NateDeezy wrote: I can't remember if I explained this in my first post but I felt such intense love just all the time that I almost shed tears when a man held the door open for me at the gym bc I felt so much love in that gesture.
Ah yes that's correct, I'm a bit limited when I write in english and it's better to use do, be and are!smiileyjen101 wrote:Could and would are passive projective states;
Thank you for the ET-quotes and the explanations, I've read your text a couple of times now and it's lovely! Thank you!smiileyjen101 wrote:
This is going to sound crazy, but I always get sparks on what I believe to be true, and what I've come to further realize is, and I'm not 100% but I'm getting there, that Jesus was actually right. BUT the Bible has MUCH, MUCH misinterpretation. Much like when I real Tolle and don't understand, this is true of most Christians. But one interesting thing that I've come to realize is that I always determine my worth and value based on how I appear to others. But, when I was "enlightened", it was was strange but I had a severely diminished need to try and look good when I went out where people would see me. And I think this is due to a truth that exists in life, almost like I had a strong connection to the truth of "God", and so I understood what was important in life. Almost everyone alive does things with a hidden desire to want something from it, and so we therefore are making this moment less until we get what we want, OR we make ourselves less until we are confirmed by the external source we seek. Again, I could care less what others thought of me while "enlightened". I feel like this is the truth that exists beyond whatever beliefs.EnterZenFromThere wrote:I love that I know what you mean, sometimes when I'm in that kind of mode of being I looked at something totally ordinary and feel overwhelmed by the beauty of it.NateDeezy wrote: I can't remember if I explained this in my first post but I felt such intense love just all the time that I almost shed tears when a man held the door open for me at the gym bc I felt so much love in that gesture.
What's your view on spirituality? Do you do anything in your daily life to open you back up to this way of being? If you've experienced it once I don't see why you can't do it again
Yes I'm a writer and most of my best written material is without thought, even though it's translated into text so maybe it doesn't count. Otherwise I have a lot of "aha"-moments, truth realizations and moments of clarity a couple of times a month, sometimes more often and sometimes less often. On a daily basis I can be very clouded and filled with fear, anxiety and worry and that is quite the opposite hahasmiileyjen101 wrote: So, can you now remember / recall something that you feel and know outside of thinking?
The 'aha' moments of clarity> The sense of 'isness'?
Beautifully written! I wish I could tap into that state of bliss more often, it's truly were we belong. To let go of inner baggage, to be "poor in spirit" is not really a big job but the ego wants it to be that way. "First I must do this, then this, then that, it will probably take at least 10 years" lol... my ego makes me laugh so hard at times When we let go of negativity a lot of spontanious healing occurs, that's amazing!NateDeezy wrote: .
Beautifully written, thank you!NateDeezy wrote:.
I've actually wanted to write a book too! I always write things down and have started trying to organize the ideas but I'm a total scatter brain lol, so it makes it a little difficult. Everything in my life just feels wrong, I sit at a computer all day at work, but I've always wanted to help people in a meaningful way. So I'm hoping I can write a book and self publish and make some money to try and fund something or use that book as the starting point to possibly something that arises that I will never know until I finish it, I don't know. But it's a battle between knowing that my "enlightenment" isn't something I've been able to maintain and so I don't want to be considered a fraud, as well as just the scariness of taking the plunge and not caring what others think, bc when you write a book stating even just the things I've said on this board, I can only imagine the amount of judgment..Maringa wrote:Beautifully written, thank you!NateDeezy wrote:.
I wish I could be in that state of bliss more often, it's truly were we belong. To let go of inner baggage, to be "poor in spirit" is not really a big job but the ego wants it to be that way. "First I need to read this book, meditate more often, buy some chrystals, pray, maybe I should do drugs? Oh... it'll take a loooong time, at least 10 years" lol, I laugh so hard at my own ego sometimes! When we let go of negativity I think we also let go of personality, talents and skills because suddenly we are capable of things we didn't know we could master, and spontanious healing occurs. It's beautiful! Just to let go opens up so much.
When I wrote my first book (I don't write in english lol) I was stressed out, worried that it wouldn't be good enough etc and the result turned out "ok" because I'm a pretty good writer. The publishing company said "ok it's fine, if you want to make any changes you have a week to do so" and in that week I re-wrote the whole book, every sentence of it and I was in absolute flow when doing so. The result was amazing and the publishing was shocked how much my manuscript had improved and I was too. When I read it I was amazed "did I write this!? How did I do it? It's really good!" and then I knew these words to be true: It is not me, but the father in me, that does the work. God-power makes all things possibe.
If you expect judgement, maybe you'll receive judgement. If you expect love, you'll receive love. Most enlightened writers and movie makers aren't enlightened 100% of the time. Watch the clip with Eckhart Tolle talking to the guy who wrote "conversations with God" ohhh I cried so hard when I saw that interview.... that guy really TRIES to be enlightened but he is so PAINFULLY aware of all his flaws and he's like WHY CAN'T I BE ENLIGHTENED WHEN I'M WITH MY FAMILY AHHH!!! And it's just a beautiful conversation between the two with laughter and tears, see it!NateDeezy wrote:
I've actually wanted to write a book too! I always write things down and have started trying to organize the ideas but I'm a total scatter brain lol, so it makes it a little difficult. Everything in my life just feels wrong, I sit at a computer all day at work, but I've always wanted to help people in a meaningful way. So I'm hoping I can write a book and self publish and make some money to try and fund something or use that book as the starting point to possibly something that arises that I will never know until I finish it, I don't know. But it's a battle between knowing that my "enlightenment" isn't something I've been able to maintain and so I don't want to be considered a fraud, as well as just the scariness of taking the plunge and not caring what others think, bc when you write a book stating even just the things I've said on this board, I can only imagine the amount of judgment..