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Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:40 pm
by Enlightened2B
Nice posts smileyjen. Took me a while to read them, but worth the read most certainly.

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:12 pm
by Maringa
EnterZenFromThere wrote:Could you describe what you mean by the 'human agreement'?
Limiting beliefs about what is possible to do or not, that gets possible/impossible because we believe it to be. When collective belief systems change our abilities change with them and more things become possible

EnterZenFromThere wrote:
Maringa wrote:we all agree on "humans cannot fly", "humans cannot run in 80 mph" etc,
Do we all agree that.
Nope, and if someone is 110% sure that humans can fly he or she will find a way to do it in some way; airplane, sky diving, lucid dreaming, astral projection etc :D
EnterZenFromThere wrote:If you want the toy too much and get stressed, the parent may be less likely to buy you the toy because it feels it might not be best for you, as it may reinforce a maladaptive type of behaviour. If you are relaxed and calm and the parent believes it is in your best interest to enjoy the toy, then it may be more likely to buy it for you. Your desire combined with your demonstration that you are ready for the gift will greatly increase your likelihood of developing it.
I'm like a greedy child wanting these special powers because "everyone else have them" I will just relax and be ok with the way things allready are :)

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:14 pm
by Maringa
smiileyjen101 wrote:Lovely discourse you two :D
Thank you very much for your lengthy answer, I do believe I get it now. It's all about perception and beliefs? I limit myself, and if I could relax and just "be" I would be able to see more?

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:57 pm
by smiileyjen101
Maringa said:
Thank you very much for your lengthy answer, I do believe I get it now. It's all about perception and beliefs? I limit myself, and if I could relax and just "be" I would be able to see more?
Not if you 'could' you 'would' ...
Could and would are passive projective states;
I so want to say -... dear Maringa, you already do, are, be 'more', (than your mind 'thinks' you do / be / are) you just don't notice it or acknowledge it amid the cacophony of physical sensing & 'could' and 'would' framing that pushes it away from you to some time other than now :wink:

I think ET speaks of it as the unmanifested, the 'isness' is and you (already) are.

In PON in the section - your link with the unmanifested
ET: Presence is pure consciousness - consciousness that has been reclaimed from the mind, from the world of form.
The separations in time, and in energy are created by the mind, they are not real, they are a way of the brain insulating so that it can prioritise and organise what it shall 'think' about by attention - at tension to whatever. Thinking creates its own resonant energetic movement, arising and falling, ebbing and flowing. It's not the only arising and falling, ebbing and flowing going on, it's just what the mind 'selects' as important by attention and feeding energy into it.
ET says, the word unmanifested attempts, by way of negation, to express that which cannot be spoken, thought or imagined. It points to what it is by saying what it is not. Being, on the other hand, is a positive term.
The 'isness' the ineffable, indescribable IS back in that chart is merely awareness of being. We 'feel' it and we 'know' it rather than 'think' or 'imagine' it.

He calls it 'an awakening of consciousness from the dream of form....' and 'You can continue in your present form yet be aware of the formless and deathless deep within you'.

I would say not just 'within you' but within the whole shebang - again by attention, but just a different quality of attention.

I could only tell you of it in stories once processed against and with logic and so it loses its immediacy and the whole shebang awareness, it gets filtered - as with Zen's earlier stories, we can only describe that which words do not really capture and convey the simplicity, the natural, the just 'is'ness of it and simultaneously the great expanse of it. We do it all the time, we just don't cognitise it most of the time.

YOU do it all the time - I guarantee that you do, because we all do - we just either do not bring it into cognition and so to the brain it doesn't occur or exist, or if we do 'feel' it we might dismiss it because of it being at odds to our 'beliefs' about what 'is' and what is possible, or 'real'.

As an exercise in faithlessness - remember a time that you 'felt' something that your brain could not explain - and yet it was real... where your intuition was stronger than your mind.

Intuition is merely momentary awareness, in 'isness'. We feel and we know, even if our brain dismisses or argues with the reality of it.

Learning to use our intuition wisely requires as much experiential learning as any other skill, we make mistakes and we learn from them. The thing with intuition is that we cannot quantify and qualify it, we have to go by 'feel'. The 'gut instincts' the out of nowhere inspirations - these are the things of the unmanifest touching us and that only can manifest in experience with our attention, our awareness, capacity and willingness.

Tell us of a time when .... (invariably folks will say this sort of thing NEVER happens to me, and when they feel safe and relaxed they will say .. there was this time when..... :wink: that's the 'cuteness' that I spoke of earlier).

I have helped many to accept what 'is' but only when they have been willing to embrace their own awareness and capacity and not hold it off at some distance to their sense of their 'self' or maintain the solid belief that limits their awareness.

Then when we do test it against 'logic' and what are the 'facts', it's the logic that is found lacking, not the experience.

It truly is just yum, gorgeous, sweet, when that light goes on. Once the light is on we cannot turn it off we know that it is real and that we tune into it at various levels of our awareness, capacity & willingness.

I'm pretty sure that's what Zen's been sharing in this topic.... the 'light' went on and he sees things, experiences things differently now.

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:37 am
by NateDeezy
EnterZenFromThere wrote:
NateDeezy wrote:I was no longer afraid in public. I felt pure bliss. Is this your experience? Like is there anything you're afraid to do now in teems of anything that can't harm you?
I wouldn't say that I no longer feel fear, but my relationship with fear has changed a lot. I used to see fear as something I needed to escape from. If I felt anxious about something I either needed to ignore it and hope it went away or fight through it. I still do that sometimes, but I also have a lot more love and respect for fear. I appreciate the value of it. It's a part of me. Like every individual fear is a living entity. That these fears (and all other feelings) combine together to create me like cells combine together to create the physical body. They are trying to tell me their wisdom - like if I put my hand on something hot the nerves in my hand would send me messages that I'm in pain, my fears are doing the same. Ignoring them or fighting them is just a sign for them that they need to make more noise so their wisdom is heard. It's like keeping my hand in the fire. Exploring, respecting and embracing their wisdom is incredibly valuable to me.

I used to try and be some kind of perfect spiritual being, totally free from fear and suffering. Now I feel like that is chasing my shadow. I can create the ideal spiritual persona and try and live up to it. But it's just an idea. It's only in my imagination. There isn't any real spiritually perfect being, only what people imagine a spiritually perfect being to be. If we imagine we have to be that, we limit ourselves to the imperfection of our imagination. We create a weight of expectation on ourselves and strive to maintain it. We hinder our greater being in creating us in a freer way. Sometimes I like to imagine ways I'd like to be and explore creating that for myself. Other times I like to let go of any attempt to define myself and let go into the greater aspects of my Self. Regardless of which method I'm using, fear and love (repulsion and attraction) feel like the fundamental guiding energies that lead me to greater wisdom.

Sometimes I wish I wasn't afraid of something - but I know the fear is like a bubble of wisdom, waiting for my attention to pop it and fill me with it's wisdom.

How do you feel about yourself now? Do you wish you could go back to that time that you didn't feel afraid? Or do you feel comfortable with where you are? How do you explore spirituality? I hope it's all going well.

Jack
Thanks for taking the time to respond!

Holy shit do I wish I could go back but I don't know how. It was crazy, it was just like my heart opened up and fear couldn't really penetrate me. I'd still feel the flash of fear, kinda like a car trying to turn over, but bc of my I guess you might call awareness, it never took hold. It's kinda like what happens to me when I smoke weed. I feel the fear try to take hold but it's like I have control over it and just watch it make its suggestion to try and take me over but I didn't give it anything to grasp on to. It was amazing. Like I said, it was bliss. I can't remember if I explained this in my first post but I felt such intense love just all the time that I almost shed tears when a man held the door open for me at the gym bc I felt so much love in that gesture. Sounds crazy, but I'd take looking crazy and being in bliss over depression, which is where I'm at now, any day.

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:32 pm
by EnterZenFromThere
NateDeezy wrote: I can't remember if I explained this in my first post but I felt such intense love just all the time that I almost shed tears when a man held the door open for me at the gym bc I felt so much love in that gesture.
I love that :) I know what you mean, sometimes when I'm in that kind of mode of being I looked at something totally ordinary and feel overwhelmed by the beauty of it.

What's your view on spirituality? Do you do anything in your daily life to open you back up to this way of being? If you've experienced it once I don't see why you can't do it again :)

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:17 am
by Maringa
smiileyjen101 wrote:Could and would are passive projective states;
Ah yes that's correct, I'm a bit limited when I write in english and it's better to use do, be and are!

smiileyjen101 wrote:
Thank you for the ET-quotes and the explanations, I've read your text a couple of times now and it's lovely! Thank you!

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:30 pm
by smiileyjen101
:) So, can you now remember / recall something that you feel and know outside of thinking?

The 'aha' moments of clarity> The sense of 'isness'?

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:35 am
by NateDeezy
EnterZenFromThere wrote:
NateDeezy wrote: I can't remember if I explained this in my first post but I felt such intense love just all the time that I almost shed tears when a man held the door open for me at the gym bc I felt so much love in that gesture.
I love that :) I know what you mean, sometimes when I'm in that kind of mode of being I looked at something totally ordinary and feel overwhelmed by the beauty of it.

What's your view on spirituality? Do you do anything in your daily life to open you back up to this way of being? If you've experienced it once I don't see why you can't do it again :)
This is going to sound crazy, but I always get sparks on what I believe to be true, and what I've come to further realize is, and I'm not 100% but I'm getting there, that Jesus was actually right. BUT the Bible has MUCH, MUCH misinterpretation. Much like when I real Tolle and don't understand, this is true of most Christians. But one interesting thing that I've come to realize is that I always determine my worth and value based on how I appear to others. But, when I was "enlightened", it was was strange but I had a severely diminished need to try and look good when I went out where people would see me. And I think this is due to a truth that exists in life, almost like I had a strong connection to the truth of "God", and so I understood what was important in life. Almost everyone alive does things with a hidden desire to want something from it, and so we therefore are making this moment less until we get what we want, OR we make ourselves less until we are confirmed by the external source we seek. Again, I could care less what others thought of me while "enlightened". I feel like this is the truth that exists beyond whatever beliefs.
Anyway, here's what I've come to realize as of late, there is a force that tries to pull us into negativity. It is an inner judgment that causes this force to flare up, and when we identify with it, this force becomes our God. The Bible says, God IS love, Jesus, IMO never meant to make a list of beliefs to follow in the sense that we should judge others who don't follow, they were created for our own good, so to speak, however, who knows what those actually were since it was so long ago (sorry for the jumping around here, I'm scatter brained). BUT I can say with almost 100% certainty that if your belief causes you to not feel love within in ANY moment, you are choosing that judgment, which is bringing about that unloving feeling above God, who IS love, and so you aren't practicing what Jesus wanted us to know. This force IS real, this negative force, and so that seems to rationalize hell, after all I think most of us can say we've felt a form of hell here if we've sought out spiritual help. But the thing I've come to realize is learning to live beyond words, or as eckhart says, beyond thought. Let our true state be determined by our inner state. BUT that's not the point, the point is, i'll use an example to make a point out of something that's probably way to abstract to actually even describe with words- but it's that I think there's truth to what Jesus said, in that the most important thing was to place nothing ahead of God. What does this mean? Well, if God IS love, which is what the Bible says, how do we not place anything above God, which is to say honor God? It's not what we've made important in modern popular Christianity, which is to be born again, or go to church, or whatever, it's to not place anything above God. Which means to have faith. And your faith is demonstrated on your connection to God. Since God is love, our conenctino to God is through love, and so to have faith means to place God above all else, which means to honor that connection, which means not allowing inner judgments to keep you from that connection. When we allow judgments to overtake us with unloving energy we are unconsciously choosing to make that situation, place, event, whatever, into our God. We've chosen that situation, event, etc. above our connection to God. So how amazing is that? God doesn't want you to place other God's above God because they are fallacies, they are within this world of form, or thougth, a volutile and always changing world. And when your happiness is tied to these things, you are at the mercy of the external always changing world. And so when you see this, you can see that God wants us to be happy, and that it's beautiful bc it IS our choice. Yes there are things like physical pain and whatnot, but what happens when we dettacth from the negative energy that is bound to that judgment? We allow what is to exist, and it is this allowing, which is to say faith, to guide us. I dunno, this is getting a bit confusing I feel like. The point is, as eckhart tolle said, it isn't necessary answer a buch of difficult questions to experience inner peace, it's more about letting go of the negative energy that's usually tied to needing to know, bc it is this needing to know that is the barrier to love and peace. basically the one thing I've come to realize is God's love or God or whatever you'd like to name it, the source, xyz, dildo, it doesn't matter. I actually try to observe it without a word label bc that's its best definition, all other words are just human symbols trying to define something unexplainable with even a zillion words. But that THIS, is constant, and ALWAYS available. It's why someone around the world is experiencing bliss right now, they are tapped in to what's always there. BUT it is our judgments that keep us from this, in the words of the Bible, we are making something else into our God, bc that thing is primary, our connection to that is no longer the most important thing to us. And the beauty of it is, and again it kind of goes along with Jesus and whatnot, but it's that we have free will to choose to allow those judgments to bring us into that negative state, or choose not to. THIS is the truest definition of our level of faith. And so Jesus, IMO wasn't saying he was important as a human being, yes it's amazing that he came to bring that message, but that's most important is the message he brought, which is that God loves us and we always have a connection to that love, but it's our choices that decide our connection to it.

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:32 pm
by Maringa
smiileyjen101 wrote::) So, can you now remember / recall something that you feel and know outside of thinking?

The 'aha' moments of clarity> The sense of 'isness'?
Yes I'm a writer and most of my best written material is without thought, even though it's translated into text so maybe it doesn't count. Otherwise I have a lot of "aha"-moments, truth realizations and moments of clarity a couple of times a month, sometimes more often and sometimes less often. On a daily basis I can be very clouded and filled with fear, anxiety and worry and that is quite the opposite haha :D

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:09 pm
by Maringa
NateDeezy wrote: .
Beautifully written! I wish I could tap into that state of bliss more often, it's truly were we belong. To let go of inner baggage, to be "poor in spirit" is not really a big job but the ego wants it to be that way. "First I must do this, then this, then that, it will probably take at least 10 years" lol... my ego makes me laugh so hard at times :D When we let go of negativity a lot of spontanious healing occurs, that's amazing!

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:22 pm
by Maringa
NateDeezy wrote:.
Beautifully written, thank you!

I wish I could be in that state of bliss more often, it's truly were we belong. To let go of inner baggage, to be "poor in spirit" is not really a big job but the ego wants it to be that way. "First I need to read this book, meditate more often, buy some chrystals, pray, maybe I should do drugs? Oh... it'll take a loooong time, at least 10 years" lol, I laugh so hard at my own ego sometimes! When we let go of negativity I think we also let go of personality, talents and skills because suddenly we are capable of things we didn't know we could master, and spontanious healing occurs. It's beautiful! Just to let go opens up so much.

When I wrote my first book (I don't write in english lol) I was stressed out, worried that it wouldn't be good enough etc and the result turned out "ok" because I'm a pretty good writer. The publishing company said "ok it's fine, if you want to make any changes you have a week to do so" and in that week I re-wrote the whole book, every sentence of it and I was in absolute flow when doing so. The result was amazing and the publishing was shocked how much my manuscript had improved and I was too. When I read it I was amazed "did I write this!? How did I do it? It's really good!" and then I knew these words to be true: It is not me, but the father in me, that does the work. God-power makes all things possibe.

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:21 am
by NateDeezy
Maringa wrote:
NateDeezy wrote:.
Beautifully written, thank you!

I wish I could be in that state of bliss more often, it's truly were we belong. To let go of inner baggage, to be "poor in spirit" is not really a big job but the ego wants it to be that way. "First I need to read this book, meditate more often, buy some chrystals, pray, maybe I should do drugs? Oh... it'll take a loooong time, at least 10 years" lol, I laugh so hard at my own ego sometimes! When we let go of negativity I think we also let go of personality, talents and skills because suddenly we are capable of things we didn't know we could master, and spontanious healing occurs. It's beautiful! Just to let go opens up so much.

When I wrote my first book (I don't write in english lol) I was stressed out, worried that it wouldn't be good enough etc and the result turned out "ok" because I'm a pretty good writer. The publishing company said "ok it's fine, if you want to make any changes you have a week to do so" and in that week I re-wrote the whole book, every sentence of it and I was in absolute flow when doing so. The result was amazing and the publishing was shocked how much my manuscript had improved and I was too. When I read it I was amazed "did I write this!? How did I do it? It's really good!" and then I knew these words to be true: It is not me, but the father in me, that does the work. God-power makes all things possibe.
I've actually wanted to write a book too! I always write things down and have started trying to organize the ideas but I'm a total scatter brain lol, so it makes it a little difficult. Everything in my life just feels wrong, I sit at a computer all day at work, but I've always wanted to help people in a meaningful way. So I'm hoping I can write a book and self publish and make some money to try and fund something or use that book as the starting point to possibly something that arises that I will never know until I finish it, I don't know. But it's a battle between knowing that my "enlightenment" isn't something I've been able to maintain and so I don't want to be considered a fraud, as well as just the scariness of taking the plunge and not caring what others think, bc when you write a book stating even just the things I've said on this board, I can only imagine the amount of judgment..

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:04 pm
by Maringa
NateDeezy wrote:
I've actually wanted to write a book too! I always write things down and have started trying to organize the ideas but I'm a total scatter brain lol, so it makes it a little difficult. Everything in my life just feels wrong, I sit at a computer all day at work, but I've always wanted to help people in a meaningful way. So I'm hoping I can write a book and self publish and make some money to try and fund something or use that book as the starting point to possibly something that arises that I will never know until I finish it, I don't know. But it's a battle between knowing that my "enlightenment" isn't something I've been able to maintain and so I don't want to be considered a fraud, as well as just the scariness of taking the plunge and not caring what others think, bc when you write a book stating even just the things I've said on this board, I can only imagine the amount of judgment..
If you expect judgement, maybe you'll receive judgement. If you expect love, you'll receive love. Most enlightened writers and movie makers aren't enlightened 100% of the time. Watch the clip with Eckhart Tolle talking to the guy who wrote "conversations with God" ohhh I cried so hard when I saw that interview.... that guy really TRIES to be enlightened but he is so PAINFULLY aware of all his flaws and he's like WHY CAN'T I BE ENLIGHTENED WHEN I'M WITH MY FAMILY AHHH!!! And it's just a beautiful conversation between the two with laughter and tears, see it!

And about sitting in front of a computer all day.... that's what writing is all about. Writing is about writing, start a blog! Compile your blog posts into a book, that's one way! :)

Re: I Am Enlightened - Open Hearted Sincerity

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:17 pm
by EnterZenFromThere
This is cool seeing people talking about writing - I'm starting to write as well :P

It's been great so far! Trying to express what's been happening over the past couple of years in a way that is accessible and simple but still getting deep and cutting through all the spiritual crap.

That interview with Eckhart and the God conversation dude sounds interesting. I love it when people don't take themselves too seriously and just let themselves be themselves - despite all the pressure from spiritual extremists thinking a spiritual person has to be a specific way. Life grows in the differences. Innit.