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Re: Meaning

Postby Rob X » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:13 pm

rachMiel wrote:We *are* IT. Right? Can you know what you are? (Can an eye see itself?)


No one can say what this is - as discussed, all designations are placeholders. Placeholders for what irrefutably remains when separation is seen through.
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Re: Meaning

Postby rachMiel » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:44 pm

Rob X wrote:
rachMiel wrote:We *are* IT. Right? Can you know what you are? (Can an eye see itself?)

No one can say what this is - as discussed, all designations are placeholders. Placeholders for what irrefutably remains when separation is seen through.

Or as I like to think of it, for what's left when all of one's stories are let go of. Things just as they are.
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Re: Meaning

Postby Rob X » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:00 pm

rachMiel wrote:
Rob X wrote:
rachMiel wrote:We *are* IT. Right? Can you know what you are? (Can an eye see itself?)

No one can say what this is - as discussed, all designations are placeholders. Placeholders for what irrefutably remains when separation is seen through.

Or as I like to think of it, for what's left when all of one's stories are let go of. Things just as they are.


Yes. Reminds me of one of my favourite 'spiritual' quotes - not by a Zen master or Indian guru but by the Science Fiction writer Philip K Dick:

Reality is that which, when you quit believing in it, doesn't go away.
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Re: Meaning

Postby rachMiel » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:51 pm

YES! Fabulous.

Quoting Dick brought this to mind:

Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists

I haven't read the entire book, just bits and pieces (especially Schroedinger's contributions). It's pretty frickin' amazing/inspiring!
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Re: Meaning

Postby Rob X » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:23 pm

rachMiel wrote:YES! Fabulous.

Quoting Dick brought this to mind:

Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists

I haven't read the entire book, just bits and pieces (especially Schroedinger's contributions). It's pretty frickin' amazing/inspiring!


Yes, same here, I've read some of it. This from Schroedinger is particularly captivating:

“Hence this life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of the entire existence, but is in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance. This, as we know, is what the Brahmins express in that sacred, mystic formula which is yet really so simple and so clear: Tat tvam asi, this is you. Or, again, in such words as 'I am in the east and in the west, I am below and above, I am this whole world'.

Thus you can throw yourself flat on the ground, stretched out upon Mother Earth, with the certain conviction that you are one with her and she with you. You are as firmly established, as invulnerable as she, indeed a thousand times firmer and more invulnerable. As surely she will engulf you tomorrow, so surely will she bring you forth anew to new striving and suffering. And not merely 'some day': now, today, every day she is bringing you forth, not once but thousands upon thousands of times, just as every day she engulfs you a thousand times over. For eternally and always there is only now, one and the same now; the present is the only thing that has no end.”
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Re: Meaning

Postby rachMiel » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:39 pm

:-)

Always nice to see spirituality and science playing well together.
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