One of the things that I observed about you in this thread is, you keep dismissing or ignoring the valid points that I make against some of the things you post. You seem to remain close and have a desperate need to be right all the time. You seem to insist you are always right and you only pick up a few statements in my replies that you can argue against.
I explained very clearly why the critique from that Vedanta teacher (who was with Osho) is wrong.. (But you ignored my explanations) Anybody who has read Osho's works can say that he is wrong because he is saying that Osho's teachings are not deep and at the kindergarten level. That is complete nonsense and the most idiotic statement that one can make about Osho. There is a Osho online library available for free in Osho.com and you can find out for yourself. You will see how many
topics he has touched and how deep he went into many famous scriptures. If he talked about Dhammapada, for example, he would give talks for 4 -5 months at a stretch explaining each and every line in detail.I think you will still ignore and this and keep saying what you say is right.
Let me repeat what I said in my previous post as well, this time in bold: Osho has given a complete commentary on Bhagwad Gita, word by word, which has been published in huge volumes in Hindi called Gita Darshan. He talked about all the major Upanishads and has given complete commentary on them. He has also talked about Brahmasutras as one of the books that he has loved, even though he didn't give a commentary on that.And Brahmasutras, Upanishads and Bhagwad gita are the three main sources of Vedanta.
No, I can not guarantee this for you, but I will say my posts against him, were only in response to your posting excessive excerpts from him. There may be readers who have never heard of him and they should know he's controversial and imo, should be wary of his teachings.
No problem.. I will continue to post excerpts from Osho wherever it is necessary because he says things more clearly. I don't care about the people who read those controversies and turn away from Osho. Because I still believe that there will be some who are more open enough to see the extraordinary wisdom in Osho's talks.
Whether it's "fair" or not, isn't for me to say. However, if one of his 10 year devotees is talking out about what he thinks of him. I think its more then valid
It is very natural for any master to have a few disciples turned against him or misunderstood him. Also, mind has a tendency to forget many valuable things and tries to distort the memories in the long run, when new inputs are added to the mind.I have no doubt that meditations that he did in Osho's place would have prepared him to a great extent. But his comment about Osho is very unfair and utter nonsense. Also, it is clear that he was not really listening to Osho's teachings there or read Osho's books because what he would not have said what he said about Osho if he was really aware of his complete teachings. If you think his careless comments about Osho is valid, then why don't you consider my comments as valid too, I told you my experience about Osho and how it transformed me.. Without Osho, I don't know where I would be now. His detailed explanations of ego and mind pointed out very clearly what my mind was doing and how my ego was playing tricks. His words have a great power to still your mind and all you have to do for that is to be open minded.
I don't recall reading what you say James Swartz has said about Osho
It is all over his website and also in his book "How to attain enlightenment". I read some excerpts in Google books. James seems to have an insane prejudice against Osho and he spills it out wherever he finds a chance. Not only Osho, he seems to be spending a lot of his energy to point out how unenlightened other teachers are.. Actually, I agree what he says about Neo Advaita because I myself can't think of a neo advaita teacher saying anything except asking "Who is asking this question?'..But he and his authorized teachers on the website even seem to say J.Krishnamurti and Jesus were not proper teachers.It takes an enlightened person to recognize another enlightened person, but a person who has enough maturity can spot somebody who is not enlightened. Based on James's careless attitude, I can definitely say he is not enlightened. If he seems to be wise, then I would say that all that wisdom comes from his old age, his experience in India with many teachers and his knowledge in Vedanta, not because he is enlightened. And an unenlightened teacher helping other people is always like a blind man helping other blind men.
I've known of Osho for awhile and haven't been impressed.
How did you come to know about Osho and what is that you are not impressed with? If you give me more details, then I can give you more explanation on that.
Osho actually created a revolution to shatter much of the ignorance which was in the society. He chose a conscious personality to show to the people outside and that actually created a lot of attention to his messages. To an enlightened person, whatever personality he takes is just like a part in a drama, because for them whatever happens in the world is just a game. For example, Gurdjeiff, another great enlightened master is known to show different faces to each person he meets, so that every person who met Gurdjieff ended up having a different opinion about him. Gurdjieff did that on purpose because he needed to do it to do his work. Same way, Osho put up a certain personality consciously which allowed him to do his work that he intended to do in the society.
If he's helped you and you think he's wonderful, then why do you care what I say?
I think it is my responsibility to show my gratitude to my Guru and clear up the confusions. No matter how many times you talk against Osho, I will try as much as I could to defend him. It is very sad to see how some people are so closed to an ocean of wisdom that they can take advantage of. You think that you are helping other people by posting these things and I know that Iam also helping other people to understand his teachings.
I especially thought he sounded like an ass talking about Nisargadatta Maharaj the way he did
Osho has a lot of humor sense. I have watched his videos and he doesn't sound serious at all but when you read it in pure text, it might sound like he is ranting. The point he was trying to make is that spirituality is a routine thing in India. It is very true. I have seen many people who live as ascetics, have a sound knowledge of scriptures and they can impress westerners very easily. Vedanta might sound very new and impressive to you, but here you can find people parroting the lines from Vedanta in every nook and corner, especially in the rural areas. But the way Osho talks can be a great blow to people's egos. If Osho has said that, there could be only two reasons: Either Nisargadatta's is not completely realized or he was just using it as a device. I am only suggesting the possibilities.. Osho has praised Ramana Maharishi in all his talks but he has made such a comment about Nisargadatta, which sometimes makes me to suspect "What if Nisargadatta was just repeating his Guru's words?".. Nobody would have known the difference. But that didn't stop me from reading Nisargadatta's books. Also, I know about Osho and sometimes the only intention of saying things like that is to force the people's mind to come out of their conditioning.
I kind of lived with Osho by reading his books. Reading every book that has been published under his name was, for me, like an experience to be in his presence. I don't know Osho personally but I know Osho experientially.
You say that Osho is not an authority. But I think you might agree if I make Nisargadatta Maharaj an authority.You might be surprised to know that he had a great opinion about Osho.
Here is what Maharaj said about Osho (apparently in response to a question about him), from " Consciousness and the Absolute: "
Chapter Sixty One. June Nine, 1981.
Nisargadatta Maharaj: Rajneesh is not a small personality or small principal.
He is tremendous.
He is very big.
He is a great sage.
When you already have a guru,
why do you visit other sages?
Since you already have a great sage as your guru,
you should not sit here or come here.
I do not like those shiftings from gurus to gurus.
I do not like wanderers.
Questioner: What is the difference between Maharaj and Rajneesh?
Nisargadatta Maharaj: Once you remove the letters, the names,
what is the difference?