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Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:50 pm
by athena777
Does Tolle teach that we are all nothing but one pure awareness and that labels like "loner", "people person," "free spirit", "punk rocker", "African", or whatever only get in the way? Why would anyone not want an identity, ego or not? Because I was considering making being a loner my spiritual path/religion.

Re: Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:34 pm
by kiki
Why make anything a path to being what you are? Identifying with being a loner, a meditator, a spiritual person, a free spirit or anything else gets in the way of simply recognizing what you are in this very moment. Without any label, what are you? This is about waking up from every label and in the recognition and abidance of what that is do what brings you joy without attachment to whatever that is.

All of those labels stand in the way of simply seeing/recognizing and then abiding in your simple everyday authentic essence of what you truly are. Drop the labels and simply be.

Re: Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:38 am
by Mystic
athena777 wrote:Does Tolle teach that we are all nothing but one pure awareness and that labels like "loner", "people person," "free spirit", "punk rocker", "African", or whatever only get in the way? Why would anyone not want an identity, ego or not? Because I was considering making being a loner my spiritual path/religion.


Labels are not problematic unless they become judgments that block awareness of the inner light within all. Having a role model like Jesus or Buddha can be like having a big brother or big sister that you look up to and you respect their teachings. Being a loner might be temporary or long term as you endeavor to embark upon a choice of spiritual path.

The true essence of your being is formless consciousness that is eternal. Form returns to formlessness and then emerges from it again in another form. Your intuitive inner guide is the universal inspiration that is within every one at the deepest level of being. True communion is when you recognize the divine light within all others that is also within you.

Re: Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:01 am
by turiya
Labels only get in the way if you identify with them.

The way I see it, personal labels are like masks/costumes... If you want to play dress up and have some fun with them, go for it! :wink:

But, it's no longer fun if you take them too seriously and mistake them for who you really are.

Re: Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:08 am
by turiya
"Why make anything a path to being what you are?" -kiki

Excellent pointer!

Re: Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:34 am
by Mystic
"Why make anything a path to being what you are?"

Why not reach for your infinite potential? A journey without distance to the realization of Self, the inner light.

"Spiritual path" is a metaphor. I notice several posters here so far that say they do not follow any path and implication seems to be that following a path is wrong? Is "no path" somehow better than a path?

While in this experience of linear time we all have a system of thought that we adhere to on some level of consciousness.

If this is a dream than why not manifest a happy dream instead of the ego's dream of suffering? Miracle-mindedness is the opposite of ego-mindedness :D

Re: Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:01 am
by turiya
Miracle-mindedness


I like that term! :D

I notice several posters here so far that say they do not follow any path and implication seems to be that following a path is wrong? Is "no path" somehow better than a path?


In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with following a path... A path is necessary for a person until it's no longer necessary for that person.

Besides, in a way... isn't the "no path" still a path...? (Unless you wake up and never fall back into Mind-identification again ... which is very rare.)

Re: Are Labels Problematic?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:03 am
by painBody
Nothing wrong, whatsoever, with labels or identities as long as you don't lose sight of the big picture. In my experience, labels and identities can send you down the wrong path in life if you believe too much or too strongly in them with the exclusion of everything else.

If you consider yourself a loner, fine, just don't consider yourself a loner and nothing else.

In my own life, one of the big mistakes I made was believing I had BPD (a personality disorder). I did tons of research and convinced myself that I had BPD. I continued to see things through that lens of "I'm a Borderline" for years, till it eventually struck me that there was nothing wrong with me, and that I had lost sight of all other possibilities - like, for instance, that I was just unhappy with the world, for reasons all of us are intimately familiar with.

It can feel great to have an identity, esp. one that is generally regarded as being positive. But, it can also feel like crap if/when you happen to lose that identity (and that has happened to me also).

Short version: Label yourself to your heart's content, without losing sight of the bigger picture - that you are also so much more.