Hell is Other People

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Hell is Other People

Post by athena777 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:26 am

When I'm alone or at least not talking to the people in the room I feel at peace. I'm present, just experiencing the joy of being.

But when I'm talking people, especially my mom, I feel so unhappy. They're constantly attacking me, harassing me, complaining, picking fights...I start to feel like the present moment sucks and that life is pointless.

What can I do?

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Re: Hell is Other People

Post by turiya » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:33 am

Other people are not here to make us happy. They're here to make us conscious.

https://www.eckharttollenow.com/s/8eeeu7

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Post by athena777 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:32 am

What's the point of being conscious? To be happy?

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Post by athena777 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:51 am

I really feel miserable when i deal with them. Can I just stay away from them?

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Post by rachMiel » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:45 pm

> Hell is Other People

It might feel that way ... but is it true? How much of the "hell of other people" do you/I create via our conditioned thinking?

That said, I'll pass on something a teacher passed on to me (and his teacher to him, all the way back):

A noxious state of mind is like a contagious physical illness. If you have the flu would you hang out with friends? Likewise if a person/people around you are sick and contagious, would you hang out with them?
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily ...

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Post by turiya » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:48 am

What's the point of being conscious? To be happy? - athena777
Being conscious brings an end to suffering. Happiness/joy may or may not arise in you when suffering ends.
“We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived.” - Wei Wu Wei

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Re: Hell is Other People

Post by Onceler » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:21 am

turiya wrote:
What's the point of being conscious? To be happy? - athena777
Being conscious brings an end to suffering. Happiness/joy may or may not arise in you when suffering ends.
Amen.
Be present, be pleasant.

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Re: Hell is Other People

Post by athena777 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:37 pm

What's the point of life? If you weren't alive in the first place you wouldn't suffer.

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Post by Onceler » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:05 pm

athena777 wrote:What's the point of life? If you weren't alive in the first place you wouldn't suffer.

I suffered most of my life, roughly 80%, than I learned to not suffer and I’m laughing. I guess the point is to learn or get to a place where you are not suffering and you can absorb the richness and sweetness of life.....including the bad stuff, without fear.
Be present, be pleasant.

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Post by athena777 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:46 am

But if you weren't alive to begin with you wouldn't have to learn that...

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Post by Webwanderer » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:37 am

Is life only this human experience? Or is there a larger context, in a larger reality, that is a larger experience of life? Is it even possible to not be alive as a conscious being? Is being truly conscious related to this larger context and therefore puts human life experience in its proper context where pain and suffering can be resolved as turiya suggests? Can one look at life in a way that brings peace of mind where suffering once ruled?

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Re: Hell is Other People

Post by turiya » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:52 am

athena777 wrote:
What's the point of life?
The way I see it, the point of life is just to be alive... to be Life.
But the Mind doesn't like that answer...
(It's far too simple and obvious.)
athena777 Wrote:
If you weren't alive in the first place you wouldn't suffer.
You are Life. You are eternally alive.

But... because you believe you are who you think you are (the separate "little-me"/person), suffering appears.

Here's an Alan Watts video that makes me smile:

https://youtu.be/21RwqnB8GrE

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“We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived.” - Wei Wu Wei

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Re: Hell is Other People

Post by turiya » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:32 am

“We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived.” - Wei Wu Wei

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