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The Corona Virus - How doth the enlightened/conscious ones see things...

Post by Guy Struggles » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:37 pm

I've been wondering over the last few days what ET might more specifically say about the matter.

Would also welcome general thoughts... I'd imagine Eckhart is likely to make mention soon if he hasn't already.
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Post by Webwanderer » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:46 pm

I think everyone's situation is different, although there are some common factors. What we have in common is that we are all in the same play. That is we are here to experience and interact in a physical environment and it is incumbent upon us to play by the rules of the game. There is of course, a larger context that one would be wise to keep in mind as we work our way through this current environment.

Our differences in approaching this situation are many. Our age group, our current health condition, our social and family group, our living conditions, our work environment, the density of where we reside, and our immediate financial needs. These are just a few of the underlying conditions we all must consider when dealing with the challenges that face us.

It is certainly an interesting observation in how our families, communities, countries, and the world at large are dealing with this challenge. There is a lot going on right now with those who seek to help and to stem this virus. It is also quite interesting to observe those who seek to take advantage of this crisis at various levels of our social and political structures.

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Post by turiya » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:42 pm

I got this in my email today and thought I'd share it here:

"Recognizing the immense challenges we are currently facing as a collective, Eckhart has recorded this video message for you:"

https://eckharttolle.com/free-resources ... 5rN3paYiJ9
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Post by turiya » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:44 pm

Also, here's a video from Rupert Spira:

https://youtu.be/WoYrKxoTsiU
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Post by sardinelover » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:27 pm

This virus and whether Eckhart publicly acknowledges it should have no bearing on your state of consciousness.

If you can truly be present, you will feel the same regardless of what is going on in your life and in the world: at peace and at ease.
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Post by turiya » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:45 pm

Another one by Rupert:

https://youtu.be/PjbOTk5zmMo
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Post by runstrails » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:50 pm

Here is a nice essay from James Swartz on the covid-19 situation:
http://www.shiningworld.com/site/satsang/read/4081

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Post by steve Davidson » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:00 am

Here is another nice essay, by Joan Tollifson:

"Like many of you, I am grounded at home, practicing physical distancing and extra-careful hygiene. I go out for walks, food shop when necessary (as infrequently as possible), and occasionally visit friends (outdoors at a safe distance), but otherwise I stay home. For me, this isn’t a huge change from my normal life. But my heart goes out to the many people who are much more dramatically affected than I am: the heroic healthcare workers, those now without jobs and income, the homeless, parents who are suddenly dealing with home schooling their children, people going through cancer and other serious health situations during this, and of course, those who are already ill or dying of the virus and their families and friends.

Staying well-informed from reliable sources is important, but it’s not helpful to absorb news about the virus 24/7 or to live in fear and spread fear. So, if we notice that our mind is churning out worst-case scenarios and “what if’s,” maybe it is possible to turn attention to the actuality of this moment. There is much more going on than just the virus. The birds are singing, the trees where I live are blossoming, the hillsides are greening up, the Italians are singing on their balconies.

These kinds of disasters and challenges, personally and globally, always afford an opportunity for positive change, deeper insight and greater awakening to reality, as it is. Yes, they also afford a chance for the opposite to happen. Things of this nature seem to bring up two different human tendencies: fear (accompanied by either total denial or get your gun and demonize the "other," whether literally or metaphorically), on the one hand, and love and compassion (recognizing the unity in our globally shared situation), on the other. Trump (with his racist “Chinese virus” talk) mostly models the first response; the Italians singing to one another from their balconies model the second. Most of us, if we’re honest, probably contain a bit of both these tendencies when faced with a crisis, so it’s good to notice how we are responding from one moment to the next.

This kind of crisis is actually nothing new. For much of the world, and for many in the developed world as well, and throughout recorded history, people have lived through wars, plagues, famines, natural disasters, genocides and all kinds of horrors in which virtually everyone they knew perished—mostly without modern hospitals, palliative care, a social safety net (however flawed), or the benefits afforded now by the internet.

May we all take this seriously and be responsible—but keep our sense of humor. And may we notice when we are scaring ourselves unnecessarily with thoughts and imagination. May we notice what we are transmitting, whether it is the virus of love or the virus of fear. And may we all get through this together as one human family.

I'm on the mailing list of Valarie Kaur, an American Sikh, civil rights activist, lawyer, filmmaker, educator, founder of the Revolutionary Love Project, and author of the forthcoming book See No Stranger. This is a powerful message she sent out: “I believe this is a time to love without limit. This is a time to see no stranger... And if panic or grief or rage seizes you suddenly, it's okay. It means you are alive to what is happening. The work is to breathe through it. It becomes a dance—to panic, then return to wisdom; to retreat then find the courage to show up with love anyway.”

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Post by runstrails » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:37 am

And here is a nice video from Swami Sarvapriyananda who is at the Vedanta Society in NYC on fighting anxiety and depression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzFtOOVQPmA

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Post by runstrails » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:43 am

And a lovely blogpost from Swami Tyagananda (of the Vedanta society in Boston):
https://vedantasociety.net/blog/a-spiritual-response

Swami Tyagananda

The coronavirus is making headlines. Every day. In every part of the world. Everything else has receded into the background. No longer is the virus confined to one province of a country in one corner of the world. It is coming closer by the day, by the hour perhaps, and everyone’s worried.

In the absence of any medication (so far) that can prevent infection or cure it, our only choice at present is to not allow the virus to enter the body. Which means, rigorously following commonsense methods such as frequently and carefully washing the hands with soap and minimizing contact with exposed surfaces in public places. Should the virus find a way nevertheless to infect us, we should isolate ourselves immediately so as not to become agents of spreading it further.

Is there anything more that can be done? Those amongst us who take spiritual life seriously may want to ask themselves: besides the obvious and essential response to the threat of infection, is there also a spiritual response? What are the kind of thoughts a Vedanta student may have in preparation for a likely face-off with the virus—and what can a person do in addition to the necessary precautions already in place?

Do not panic. The more vulnerable we feel, the more anxious we get. There is evidence that anxiety can dramatically weaken the immune system, making us even more vulnerable to the virus. To get out of the vicious loop, we need to deal positively with our anxiety. A verse from the Pañcadaśī (7.168) is a helpful reminder of what is obvious but often forgotten:

यदभावि न तद्‌भावि भावि चेन्न तदन्यथा । इति चिन्ताविषघ्नोऽयं बोधो भ्रमनिवर्तक: ॥

Yad abhāvi na tad bhāvi, bhāvi cet na tad anyathā;

Iti cintā-viṣaghno’yaṁ bodho bhrama-nivartakaḥ.

“What will not happen will not happen. What will happen will happen”—this knowledge destroys the poison of anxiety and removes all delusion.

This is not fatalism. Nor does this mean that we do nothing, that we merely sit idle and let things take their own course. Far from it. What it does mean is that after doing the best we can to respond appropriately to any situation, we recognize that, when all is said and done, what is to be will be, what is not to be won’t be. There is nothing any of us can do more than our best at any given time.

Our “best” is not a fixed quantity. It can, and generally does, change with time. To do our very best and, having done that, to step aside and stop worrying—this approach helps us to focus our time, skill and energy fully on the task in hand, instead of wasting them through anxiety and, in the process, weakening ourselves.

Practice being alone. One of the inevitable measures we have to take if we are infected—or if we suspect that we are infected—is to isolate ourselves, so as not to spread the infection. That means going into solitude. If we are not accustomed to solitude, then the quarantine-experience will be tough to endure. Now is a good time, therefore, to practice being alone every day at least for a few minutes.

Being alone is different from being lonely. To be lonely is terrible and a lot of people suffer from loneliness even when they are surrounded by people. But recognizing one’s aloneness leads to a state of supreme peace and clarity. This sounds paradoxical, but the more we realize our aloneness, the better we are able to relate to everyone and everything around us. Our relationships improve and our work becomes more meaningful. Every one of us comes to this world alone and we depart alone. A habit of daily, even if brief, forays into solitude helps us to live with sanity in the ever-increasing frenzy of the world.

One way of practicing solitude is to stay away from television, the internet and the phone at least for a few minutes every day, and spend the time alone in our own company. If we get bored in the process, we’ll at least know how boring we are. If we cannot stand our own company, what right do we have to inflict it on others?

The practices such as prayer, worship, meditation, and scriptural study give us an opportunity to being comfortable in solitude. For perfection in these practices, we need to be alone with God, no matter in what way or form we visualize the divine. Those who have a daily spiritual practice are generally better prepared for solitude, voluntary or enforced.

Contemplate the possibility of death. We generally recognize the value of planning for the future, although none of us knows what the future has in store for us. While we plan for things that may or may not happen, how many of us have a plan for death, the one thing that is absolutely certain? The only thing unknown about our death are the time and the cause. None of us wants to die soon, but having a plan doesn’t hurt. The fatality rate of the coronavirus seems relatively low, but that doesn’t negate the possibility of me being one of the few who does get infected and succumbs to it. Even as we hope for the best, it makes perfect sense to prepare for the worst.

A neurotic obsession with death is a form of illness. It is debilitating and may need clinical intervention. But a positive approach to the phenomenon of death is not only healthy and strengthening but also spiritually beneficial. This may be a good time to start thinking about death—what it means to me and how I would like to face it. Spiritual texts and teachers provide much needed guidance in this matter. Swami Vivekananda encouraged his students to think of death always. His glowing words come to mind:

“Look here—we shall all die [sooner or later]. Bear this in mind always, and then the spirit within will wake up. Then only, meanness will vanish from you, practicality in work will come, you will get new vigor in mind and body, and those who come in contact with you will also feel that they have really got something uplifting from you.”

In the beginning, this practice of thinking of death won’t be fun. Swamiji knew that:

“At first, the heart will break down, and despondency and gloomy thoughts will occupy your mind. But persist, let days pass like that—and then? Then you will see that new strength has come into the heart, that the constant thought of death is giving you a new life and is making you more and more thoughtful by bringing every moment before your mind’s eye the truth of the saying, ‘Vanity of vanities, all is vanity!’ Wait! Let days, months, and years pass, and you will feel that the spirit within is waking up with the strength of a lion, that the little power within has transformed itself into a mighty power. Think of death always, and you will realize the truth of every word I say.” (CW, 5. 329–30)

None of this means that I am going to die in the present crisis. What it does mean is that, should such a possibility arise in my case, I am not taken unawares or find myself unprepared. It is easier to face a foe if we have done our homework. Perhaps, death may not be our “foe” at all. But how would we know if we have always avoided thinking about it? Socrates’s words at his trial come to mind: “But now the time has come to go away. I go to die, and you to live; but which of us goes to the better lot, is known to none but God.”



These, then, are three among the many things a spiritual seeker can do in the present crisis: not panic, get used to solitude, and think of death in a healthy way. There is no doubt that these practices will help in keeping anxiety at bay, preparing for isolation if I need to be quarantined, and—should it really come to that—meeting death with full awareness and a heart filled with joy and peace.

Oddly enough, these are the very same things a spiritual seeker should do even when there is no crisis of the kind we have now. The problems related to aging, sickness and death never really go away, like the problems of stress, worry and fear. The more we practice being free from anxiety, of relishing moments of aloneness, and of seeing death not as an end but a continuation of our existence in another form, the more we shall discover that we are all interconnected and that death doesn’t mean the end.

We are at our best when we are challenged. The present coronavirus crisis is a challenge to the ingenuity and strength inherent in human beings. We can face this challenge with wisdom, wit and farsightedness. If we do it well, we also make ourselves stronger to face even greater challenges ahead. They will surely come and we should be prepared.

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Post by runstrails » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:16 pm

And a nice video by Swami Tadatamananda from Vedanta society New Jersey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGDr4tFTl4s

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Post by PureLand » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:11 pm

Coronavirus is a minor problem compared to the real problems of the world. Today the weather news told that Arctic is going to be over 5 C over average. And perhaps that is not correct because the recent forecast says that the situation in Arctic is going worse today.

As spiritual people we must accept that there is something called karma. There is something called consequences for certain actions..If anyone listened to Eckhart's talks as much as me he/she knows that Eckhart thinks same as me. He mentinoned all of the crazy thing that happened in the world wars and so on. He said that earth can "clean" itself If the humans goes in the same way. For some people this can sound ruthless, but from the spiritual perspective it is not. Humans have absolute freedom to choose their path. Humans choose where they go..And the choice is there in every moment of daily life.. The path of heaven and the path of hell is there..In every moment of daily life.. So I think that the blame game is completely meaningless in every situation. Also life is eternal and the form reality is like a shadow reality. In fact it is only a shadow of the real. What humans describe as "negative" is totally objective in the ultimate reality.

I recommed everyone to practise presence as much as they can. There are countless of unknown viruses are waiting in the permafrost. And permaforst is melting rapidly. And this is only one of the "threats" to humanity and other beings of earth. As I experienced many times, it is possible to reach to the states of consciousness that is totally free from the circumstances of the world. I will post a video for the second time in this site. Even though I don't know Adyashanti well, he helped me deeply in my spiritual path.

Stay safe everyone. There is no problem in the present moment. Don't force to be in it, just "do" and eventually "be". You will get there sooner or later as temporary experiences..And eventually you will become it permanently.. And here is the beautiful and insightful talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pAxmpE8lJA

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Post by Enlightened2B » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:28 am

Eckhart has actually put out a bunch of videos already over the course of the last few weeks where he talks about the COVID-19. I keep seeing new ones pop up on YouTube. Not sure if they've already been posted here or not.

But, the COVID-19 is really an opportunity I personally feel for us to slow down as a society and realize that "normal" that we were previously doing was really not that "normal". It's just another awakening call for us collectively. We're so accustomed to run somewhere to avoid being here. The interesting thing about slowing down though, is that it forces people to stop.

And it's really not easy for those of us who have been so accustomed to distracting coping mechanisms to keep us going for so long as part of our identities that we hold together, to truly just literally stop.

I know there are some just absolutely insane conspiracy "theories" out there about this new virus that are ideologically politically and religiously driven and even involved in the spiritual sector sadly too. I don't know how this stuff finds its way into spirituality. Stuff that I have felt almost ashamed to be a human knowing that other humans actually believe this stuff. But, these types of crises always bring out the "good vs evil" sector of the world who already feel massively dis-empowered, fearful, and those desperately longing for an ideological identity to cling to, to avoid the reality of who they really are.

So, while COVID can be seen any way we so choose, I see it as part of the collective awakening that is happening. And it's given me a great chance to slow down and come back home to myself.

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Post by Louis More » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:24 pm

Thanks pureland
That is a very good talk, during the whole talk I feel a strong anchor to the present moment.
What we really are is unchangeable, even the covid is a part of being. I don't think eckhart or adya change their life because of the world situation, only the routine changes what really matters is stable.

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Post by jivikakorde » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:06 pm

Hello,

Great informative post about covid -19. It is very helpful .
Thanks for sharing!

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