The peace of awareness is the same as the peace induced by drugs

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The peace of awareness is the same as the peace induced by drugs

Post by Nyseto » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 pm

I've had experience with substances years ago and been clean of everything for a good while now. After having many glimpses of the peace inherent in abiding as awareness, I've come to realize that it's the same peace experienced when taking certain substances. It's just induced artificially. Now it's not a given that substances will provide peace every time as you can still have a bad time on them. They just make it harder to engage the mind and makes the gap between thoughts easier to access by increasing sensitivity. The peace from between thoughts while on a drug is the same peace between thoughts when sober. It is no different than being on an island in the Bahamas, you'll be more likely to abide as awareness because there are less external things that flare up the ego such as being at work. Of course there are repercussions taking substances such as addiction and many others but true peace is present at all times since it's causeless.

It's the same thing with antidepressants. They are made to make it harder to get trapped in ego which is why they are so effective for those whose pain is so great that they can't just sit down and internalize advice due to an incredible lack of presence. Eventually even antidepressants fail to work if the ego has a tight enough grip. So all substances end up being a double edged sword. They are only there to remind you of "the gap" and then to take that knowledge with you without being dependent on substances.
"There is no such thing as enlightenment. The appreciation of this fact is itself enlightenment." -Nisargadatta Maharaj

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Re: The peace of awareness is the same as the peace induced by drugs

Post by waverider » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:54 pm

Yes fluoxetine/prozac has this effect on me.

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Re: The peace of awareness is the same as the peace induced by drugs

Post by runstrails » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:51 am

Good insight!

Yup, its the same experience of happiness/peace/contentment. Its the same experience of happiness/peace you have when a desire of yours is fulfilled too (and the mind becomes calm). All these experiences are temporary though (and graded in nature). This experienced fullness or contentment or happiness (ananda) is a reflection of your true nature in your calm mind. And it comes and goes. In fact, every action we perform (whether we know it or not) is to experience this happiness or conversely to remove fear or other obstacles which take us away from this happiness.

Knowing that you are the source of the experienced happiness (and that your true nature is happiness itself) allows you to experience this ananda on demand as it were. This happens when you understand and can claim your true nature as sat/chit/ananda or existence/consciousness/bliss.

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Re: The peace of awareness is the same as the peace induced by drugs

Post by DavidB » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 am

When you drink alcohol or take certain drugs (provided they don’t trigger your pain-body), you may also feel more relaxed, more carefree, and perhaps more alive for a while. You may start singing and dancing, which since ancient times are expressions of the joy of life. Because you are less burdened by your mind, you can glimpse the joy of Being. Perhaps this is the reason alcohol is also called “spirit.” But there is a high price to pay: unconsciousness.


Instead of rising above thought, you have fallen below it. A few more drinks, and you will have regressed to the vegetable realm. Space consciousness has little to do with being “spaced out.” Both states are beyond thought. This they have in common. The fundamental difference, however, is that in the former, you rise above thought; in the latter, you fall below it. One is the next step in the evolution of human consciousness, the other a regression to a stage we left behind eons ago. By Eckhart Tolle
“Wisdom is knowing I am nothing, Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves.” ― Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

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Re: The peace of awareness is the same as the peace induced by drugs

Post by Nyseto » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:37 am

DavidB wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 am
When you drink alcohol or take certain drugs (provided they don’t trigger your pain-body), you may also feel more relaxed, more carefree, and perhaps more alive for a while. You may start singing and dancing, which since ancient times are expressions of the joy of life. Because you are less burdened by your mind, you can glimpse the joy of Being. Perhaps this is the reason alcohol is also called “spirit.” But there is a high price to pay: unconsciousness.


Instead of rising above thought, you have fallen below it. A few more drinks, and you will have regressed to the vegetable realm. Space consciousness has little to do with being “spaced out.” Both states are beyond thought. This they have in common. The fundamental difference, however, is that in the former, you rise above thought; in the latter, you fall below it. One is the next step in the evolution of human consciousness, the other a regression to a stage we left behind eons ago. By Eckhart Tolle
What if you don't have those extra drinks and just stay at that level?
"There is no such thing as enlightenment. The appreciation of this fact is itself enlightenment." -Nisargadatta Maharaj

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