Do I Want Peace, Or Not?

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Do I Want Peace, Or Not?

Post by phil » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:41 am

I've been reflecting lately that much of what we discuss
here could come down to one pretty simple question.

Do we want peace or not?

I've observed I can usually have more peace of mind pretty
much when ever I really want it. If it's peace I really
want, I get some peace. So this isn't a problem.

Sometimes I don't really want peace of mind, I want
challenge and the fun of mind buzz. Frantically cranking
out web code, philosophical blowharding, arm wrestling with
some other mind, etc. If it's conflict I really want,
I get some conflict. So this isn't a problem either.

Sometimes I fib to myself, and tell myself I want peace,
when really I don't. I want to whine, argue, be a
victim, or whatever it is, but I pretend I want a solution.

"Or poor me, I want peace, but can't have it!", or so the fib
goes.

Ah, lying to myself, here's a problem.

Any of this sound familiar?

How might we liberate ourselves from this victim fib, and
take responsibility for our state of mind, now?

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Post by aanwezigheid » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:01 pm

I know your dilemma :). What to do about it? Live your life, just keep the thoughts and emotions in your sight and see what will be left behind. That is the best advice I have in store for you and me for the moment.

I have discovered that I sometimes become nuts and that loving all the thoughts is sometimes something hard to do. Maybe we are pushing too hard and is it just the mind which is upsetting us.

But you can be sure that I have such days like you have for the moment :wink:

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Post by heidi » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:21 pm

How might we liberate ourselves from this victim fib, and
take responsibility for our state of mind, now?
I think you just did. :lol: Or at least you took responsibility for it.

I'll confess, I avoid victims, since, god forbid, my peace might get victimized by their woundology and victimhood.
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Post by phil » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:54 pm

I know where the kitchen is. So if I'm not eating, it's because I don't want food right now. I'm eating, or I'm not eating. Either way, I'm getting what I want.

All of us have taken ourselves to moments of peace, by some method or another. We know how to find peace. So if we're not having peace in some circumstance, it's because we don't want peace?

We're having peace, or not having peace. Either way, we're already getting what we want?

If I'm already getting what I want, I can't play the role of victim, which totally undermines most of the suffering moments I seem to want now and again. Rats! What a mess!

Ah, but if I immerse myself in studying awakening and enlightenment etc, then I can continue to pretend I don't already have control, (but am working on it diligently, good for me!)

Thus, I keep the option of victimhood and suffering in place indefinitely?

Here's a poopdoodle portal. Forget about going within. It's so much more fun to see this in other people. :-)

And then, once we realize everybody is doing this, oops, we're screwed, we're part of everybody too.

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Re: Do I Want Peace, Or Not?

Post by din » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:13 pm

phil wrote:I've been reflecting lately that much of what we discuss
here could come down to one pretty simple question.

Do we want peace or not?

I've observed I can usually have more peace of mind pretty
much when ever I really want it. If it's peace I really
want, I get some peace. So this isn't a problem.

Sometimes I don't really want peace of mind, I want
challenge and the fun of mind buzz. Frantically cranking
out web code, philosophical blowharding, arm wrestling with
some other mind, etc. If it's conflict I really want,
I get some conflict. So this isn't a problem either.

Sometimes I fib to myself, and tell myself I want peace,
when really I don't. I want to whine, argue, be a
victim, or whatever it is, but I pretend I want a solution.

"Or poor me, I want peace, but can't have it!", or so the fib
goes.

Ah, lying to myself, here's a problem.

Any of this sound familiar?

How might we liberate ourselves from this victim fib, and
take responsibility for our state of mind, now
?
There is an openness in which your post is being read and answered.

I am answering your post.

And yet I am just watching myself answer your post.

There appears to be a space, a distance between the reality of what is perceived and the "me" that is perceiving it.

And because of this space, your question seems trivial, not to be taken seriously, just as my answer is not to be taken seriously. It's all part of the play of form and somehow seems quite meaningless. But absolutely amazing at the same time.
:)

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Post by phil » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:18 am

Hey Din, thanks for your reply.

Ever have this experience? Family. Hey, that always brings the poopdoodle to the surface, ey?

I have a family member who I generally get along with pretty well, but you know, 50 years of "issues" always seem to be there somewhere. After all this time, various tensions seems endless, hopeless, inevitable.

Unless....

Someone we both love is in the hospital.

And then, poof, it all goes away. Just like that.

Proving, imho, we were both doing the "issues" dance because we wanted to.

As simple as that.

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Post by din » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:15 am

Well said Phil.

I think Nisargadatta said something like that too.

He said that we hold onto something really tight almost willing to give our lives for it and yet if we're distracted, we lose interest, and drop it, just like a little child.
:)

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Post by weopposedeception » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:33 am

About 6 years ago I saw a group of energy workers. At the end of the session a woman handed me a folded piece of paper on which were written 2 words: "choose peace". At the time I couldn't understand the meaning behind this message. Of course I wanted peace, but this damn life, this damn world won't let me have it. I finally came to understand that the peace is already there and all I have to do is choose it.

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Post by aquarius123esoteric » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:17 pm

THE ANGEL IN DISGUISE...
There is nothing I can give you that you have not,
But there is much, so very much that –
While I cannot give it – you can take …
No Heaven can come to us,
Unless our heart finds rest in today: take heaven …
No peace lies in the future
That is not hidden in this moment: take peace …

The gloom of the world is but a shadow.
Behind it – yet within everybody’s reach – there is joy.
There is a radiance and glory in the darkness,
Could we but see; and to see, we have only to look.
I beseech you to look …

Life is so generous a giver, but we –
Judging its gifts by their covering –
Too often cast them away as ugly or heavy or hard.
Remove the covering and you will find beneath it
The living splendour, woven with the love,
Wisdom and power of the Divine.

Welcome it, grasp it,
And you touch the Angel’s hand
That brings it to you.
Everything we call a tramp, a sorrow or a duty,
Believe me, the Angel’s hand is there.

That gift is there and the wonder of an
Over-shadowing presence
That protects us, is joyous too.
Be not content with these joys,
For they conceal even greater gifts.

And so, at this time, I greet you –
Not quite as the world sends greetings,
But with profound esteem and with a prayer
That for you, now and forever,
The day may break and the shadows flee away …

Fifteenth Century Prayer

With love and light,
Aquarius

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Post by gina » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:30 pm

:)

People at peace don't ask questions.



There is a wise saying, "If you have to ask

the question, you're not ready for the answer."


If you have to ask the question, the mind

will come behind and ask another question

after that and another question after that.

That is how the mind works.


The answer to your question is,

"Be the answer."


Gina
:)

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Re: peace

Post by din » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:42 pm

gina wrote::)

People at peace don't ask questions.



There is a wise saying, "If you have to ask

the question, you're not ready for the answer."


If you have to ask the question, the mind

will come behind and ask another question

after that and another question after that.

That is how the mind works.


The answer to your question is,

"Be the answer."


Gina
:)
That sounds very profound.

But, since I'm a man... I guess I'll never "get" it. :?
:)

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peace...

Post by gina » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:00 am

:)

There's nothing to 'get.' (hee-hee)

You know this, din.


What does the teaching teach us?


You can't go home, you can only be home.

You can't get it, because you are it.

And to slow down and smell the roses

don't apply to you when you know

you're the rose.


It's a side by side thing.
On earth they say opposites attract.
In space, spirit people say 'like attracts like.'

It's a side by side thing.
An oxymoron.
Tragic comedy.

Echart calls this side by side thing a 'paradox'.
Oh yes...................................very much so, this paradox.
:)

Like Eckhart says, 'you're already as deep as you can be,

very deep.' (hee-hee)


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Re: peace...

Post by din » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:38 am

gina wrote::)

There's nothing to 'get.' (hee-hee)

You know this, din.


What does the teaching teach us?


You can't go home, you can only be home.

You can't get it, because you are it.

And to slow down and smell the roses

don't apply to you when you know

you're the rose.


It's a side by side thing.
On earth they say opposites attract.
In space, spirit people say 'like attracts like.'

It's a side by side thing.
An oxymoron.
Tragic comedy.

Echart calls this side by side thing a 'paradox'.
Oh yes...................................very much so, this paradox.
:)

Like Eckhart says, 'you're already as deep as you can be,

very deep.' (hee-hee)


Gina
Yes, there is attraction.

I'm attracted to your core belief.

That I am a man and I am inferior.

As long as that belief exists, so do "you".
:)

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Post by Narz » Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:04 am

I certainly don't want peace. What kind of boring crap is that?

Plenty of time for peace when I'm six feet under. :)
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Post by din » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:06 am

Narz wrote:I certainly don't want peace. What kind of boring crap is that?

Plenty of time for peace when I'm six feet under. :)

Sooo... what do you want?
:)

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