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When the now is an all consuming horror...

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:56 pm
by now-here
I've been speaking with a few physicians regarding heart attacks as well as individuals who have suffered cardiac arrest. A few have told me that any other pain they have experienced in their lives some objectivity was possible. Conscious of the sore leg, arm....what have you, and here I am observing it. Others spoke of a pain that was so all consuming that NO objectivity remained. Not even a "hope" for this "mental phantom" called "future". One man spoke of trying to stretch his body as he was in an ambulance on the way to the hospital, while a horrific constriction and pain consumed his now, negating the past as well as any hope of a "future"....mmmmmmmm, sounds deliciously enlightening doesn't it?
Eckhart, Byron Katie!?!?! We DO have a problem here!!
I resent the cutesy little story that Eckhart relates on his Findhorn Retreat CD in which Byron Katie visited a woman in the hospital. her denial of life REFUSED to see a problem regarding a woman who revealed a leg twice the size of her other leg becasuse it was filled with cancer. All this smug woman can conjure up is.." think that both your legs should be the same size?"...Apparently the afflicted woman laughed for the first time in a long was probably the laugh of dementia....YES Byron it IS a problem....Life is balance, harmony, a fully functioning human form....why not admit a problem, why deny?
I'm not comparing Eckhart to I find something cunning and diabolical in her I am an American...and I have an inalienable right to feel good ALL THE TIME "philosophy"...I know the "secret"....
The more youtube clips I see of this woman...the more I have to wonder...half the time, she's "counselling" people about trivial dissatisfactions in their love life.....DEAL WITH IT!!!! Let me rephrase that
counSELLING.....coun$elling, CON selling

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:06 pm
by erict
All Problems Are Illusions Of The Mind

It feels as if a heavy burden has been lifted. A sense of lightness. I feel clear... but my problems are still there waiting for me, aren't they? They haven't been solved. Am I not just temporarily evading them?

If you found yourself in paradise, it wouldn't be long before your mind would say "yes, but...."

Ultimately, this is not about solving your problems. It's about realizing that there are no problems. Only situations - to be dealt with now, or to be left alone and accepted as part of the "isness" of the present moment until they change or can be dealt with. Problems are mind-made and need time to survive. They cannot survive in the actuality of the Now. -- Eckhart Tolle

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:09 pm
by erict
"Some people get angry when they hear me say that problems are illusions. I am threatening to take away their sense of who they are. They have invested much time in a false sense of self. For many years, they have unconsciously defined their whole identity in terms of' their problems or their suffering. Who would they be without it?
A great deal of what people say, think, or do is actually motivated by fear, which of course is always linked with having your focus on the future and being out of touch with the Now. As there are no problems in the Now, there is no fear either." -- Eckhart Tolle

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:21 pm
by now-here
Tell that to a teenager working 12 hr. days in a Chinese sweat-shop manufacturing overpriced goods for the coddled American CONsumer. If she's a young woman she risks rape, humiliation...death. "What is WRONG with THIS MOMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!?" her boss/commandant asks

"well.....I'm overworked.." she replies


quivering ", well......I'm hungry.....overworked and the boys have.."


"I SAID"...."WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS MOMENT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

"uuuuuh...mmmmmmm......well, they been taunting me with mother is dying of cancer....and I'm not paid..."


"I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!" "WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS MOMENT!?!?!?!?!?!?"

"no-no-no-nothing meine fuehrer...."

"GOOD shut up and relish in your enlightenment."

Once the American economy collapses, which IS imminent.....well, we will just see how "enlightened" we all are....

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:21 pm
by erict
You remind me a little of myself. The ranting and irritation and how fired up you are about the injustices of the world and its stupidity. :)

But why do you care about Byron Katie anyway? If she helps people, and it really seems she does.

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:28 pm
by erict
I think you've simply misunderstood what these teachers are trying to say. It's not that nothing is ever wrong with the present moment. It is that you must first accept it internally, and then take action. Fighting internally with whatever life brings you isn't going to get you anywhere, only cause more suffering. No one is advocating non-action, just a change in how you relate internally to what is happening.

Of course there are many things that should not be left as they are. Many situations require action. But action that is coming from a different state of being, I suppose.

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:30 pm
by erict
So what have you done lately about the injustices you see? I mean other than rant about them...

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:33 pm
by now-here
These types of "problems" are indeed illusions of the mind

...Wondering why my girlfriend left me....will my cat contract cancer? much longer WILL mom live?.......why didn't I just continue with my degree...?.....I probably COULD use a few more pounds.......HA!!! If they only KNEW me....

And INDEED Eckhart has truly helped me to breeeeeeeeathe....let go....and ACCEPT.

Don't get me far as I'm concerned there is NOTHING comparable in its directness, eloquence, harmony, balance etc. to the Power Of Now.

Even after 4 years....I still DELIGHT in being able to play my audio version of The Power Of Now, as well as the Findhorn Retreat, In The Presence Of A Great Mystery....yet there are times when the INSANITY of this world makes me screeeeeeeeeam and cry out for "justice"....UNABLE TO ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLE'S NOW, how CRAZY is THAT!?!?! (we ARE approaching a FULL MOON by the way!) so some of this energy may be directly connected.

I'm NOT provoking controversy or useless dialectics....
You Obviously understand.
Thank you!!

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:45 pm
by erict
I am a lot like you. Sometimes what I perceive as injustice really irritates me to no end. And also, I struggle with these extreme scenarios, trying to figure it out, how you could possibly be at peace if you find yourself in... this or that hell...

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:50 pm
by eseward
erict wrote:I think you've simply misunderstood what these teachers are trying to say. It's not that nothing is ever wrong with the present moment. It is that you must first accept it internally, and then take action. Fighting internally with whatever life brings you isn't going to get you anywhere, only cause more suffering. No one is advocating non-action, just a change in how you relate internally to what is happening.
Extremely well said IMO, Eric. Very nice.

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:54 pm
by now-here
erict wrote:So what have you done lately about the injustices you see? I mean other than rant about them...
For one...I TOSSED my television years ago. That device compelled me to give into what you call "ranting".....I'm a pacifist, I could continue but I would run the risk of stroking my own ego.I have come to TRULY
enjoy being alone.....silence.....

I meditate and practice "presence", and walk the razors edge of now more consciously than ever....and yes, I pray for the deliverance of all who suffer.

I'm very grateful for Eckhart revealing what "rebirth" truly is, and the DEEP meaning of death and resurrection stories. At one time I thought that "enlightenment" was indeed to be obtained in a "future" life....
Can't you SEE.....we're dying and being REBORN every moment!!!
Even our stomach linings replace themselves every 5 days. IT IS a death and resurrection "story".....but its MORE than that...WE ARE LIVING IT!

All that aside....this would mean precious little to a person suffering cardiac arrest who cannot even conceptualize a "future" as the now IS an ALL CONSUMING AND CONSTRICTING HORROR. NO time for quoting Rumi and telling him that "time" is "burning him UP like a fire".

As Eckhart reminds us...words fail, "that's NOT quite it"....

and those individuals I spoke with who have suffered cardiac arrest and lived to indeed chuckle at the thought..."words fail" .... "well...THAT'S an understatement..."

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:46 pm
by erict
I was watching Adyashanti, and I just had to quote this!
Don't wait for enlightenment to solve all your problems, because it's not concerned with your problems. Don't wait for it to get you a better job and get you into a nice living situation and put food on your table. Don't wait for enlightenment to do all this for you because even when it comes along it might not have that interest for you at all. So go ahead and take care of all that stuff.

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:16 am
by jj
now-here it sounds to me like you are in the process of awakening and need to move on to the next stage. The irritation is a signal for you to wake up. You say you meditate but what kinds of meditation?

You are becoming aware of the collective pain body. Under estimating it is easy to do. Pay close attention. When you first feel the irritation, it will want to latch onto you, within. It is very seductive. The ego loves the irritation because it expands its sense that you know whats best. The ego says it knows better than god, than reality. It is the ego's complaint.

Are you here now if you are paying attention to past human suffering or hypothetical suffering? Is their suffering relevant to your situation right now at this moment? If someone is right in front of you and having a heart attack, then act in the moment. Accept that their heart attack had many causes, many of which are deeply rooted in our animal nature including pain and death. Can you accept our mortality?

Why make human pain & suffering into an even bigger problem than it is? Deal with it in the moment, yes, but why make a big huge drama about it when you could be enjoying your life as it is now? Isn't it adding to our suffering to not even enjoy your life while you can while those who suffer, continue to suffer? Can you give yourself permission to enjoy life? Do you feel guilty about doing that? Bring awareness to the feelings of guilt if you do, as a meditation. Pay attention to your inner state as much or more than your outer state.

Why not enjoy the moments in life while you can? Isn't that a crime against yourself to not seize that moment? Can you accept that our human situation has a great deal of karma? Do you realize that our human suffering is a call for us to wake up? Can you see that perhaps our greatest pain & suffering is what we do to ourselves more than what people do to each other? Can you see the untold human suffering, and I truly mean 'not told', even by those who are seemingly well off?

I submit to you that our human suffering is far and beyond what is going on in slave labor, war, etc and other more commonly accepted notions of human suffering. It starts with you and goes from there. It can only start now.

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:25 pm
by eseward
Very nice IMO, jj.

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:02 pm
by mccpcorn
Good health is merely the slowest method by which you can die.