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Chess - Path to Presence

Postby Narz » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:06 am

Another something I wrote earlier with this forum in mind.

Chess is seen as a highly analytical game centered mostly around deep calculation. For the most part, this is true. However, it is important to remember, that, like everything else, chess is always in the now. All ideas must stem from the the position at hand (the present). While it may be helpful to know what moves led up to the position a highly skilled player should be able to look at the situation without any knowledge of the game's past and find the best move or series of moves.

Begginners often get an idea in their hand about a certain strategic or tactical manuvere they can pull off a few moves ahead while not taking in the whole of the present position and their opponents counterplay. While planning ahead is inevitably essential the first and most important skill required is to look into the present position as deeply as possibly. It is better to see perfectly but only one move ahead than think ten moves ahead but miss cruicial aspects of what already exists. All plans meet a bitter end if they do not take in the full potential of the position at hand. This has happened to me frequently. I often think I have a mate in four, playing over certain responses in my head, only to overlook a simply blocking move that my opponent can play immediately.

Another pitfull is what I call "winner's anxiety", this comes when one achieves a superior yet still highly complex position. The overwhelming urge is to either find a win (checkmate) quickly or to trade down pieces (simplify) to a much easier to handle winning endgame. Both these strategies (find a mate and trade down to an endgame) are sound but the pressure to turn the "winning game" into a "won game" often has the better of a player. In the desire to quickly end the contest the winning player may overlook a key aspect of the position and have the tables turned on him quickly. While chess is thought of mostly as a strategic game tactical (short term skirmishes) skills are far more important, this is part of it's appeal, games can be turned around in the blink of an eye if one player for a moment lets down his vigilance. In the above example, the "loser" in the position has ironically, nothing to lose (as, with no suprises, he is already lost), he is motavated to look as deeply as possible into the position for a way out. His job is to keep the game complex and full of counterattacking possibility.

So, to sum up, stay focused, stay present, learn to see what is there. Learn to see find what you desire (a winning combination for example) in what is already there but also learn to see with complete accuracy and honesty. See what is true, not what is illusion (an unsound combination for example). Every move should come from the dictates of the position (truth) rather than from the desire to prematurely force the game (ego).

Chess, with no dice or cards to help mitigate lack of focus/presence is one of the ultimate games of truth. When you lose a game there are no excuses. When we win a hard fought battle you know it was thru your practice, study, focus and presence. :)
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Postby carl » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:01 am

Great read and very true. I want to play chess now!
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Postby JD » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:12 pm

I can't agree, Narz! :)

I think chess is entirely concerned with conceptual thought.

If it's truly the "Path to Presence", then machines must be more present than human beings as they can now beat even the greatest human players.
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Postby Narz » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:26 pm

JD wrote:I can't agree, Narz! :)

I think chess is entirely concerned with conceptual thought.

Sure, but this is conceptual world we live in. Doesn't mean there isn't a reality and/or beauty behind it. Likewise for mathematics.

JD wrote:If it's truly the "Path to Presence", then machines must be more present than human beings as they can now beat even the greatest human players.

Of course, machines are the ultimate in presence, they are eternally in the moment, I don't think they are capable of being otherwise. ;)
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Postby JD » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:11 pm

Narz wrote:Of course, machines are the ultimate in presence, they are eternally in the moment, I don't think they are capable of being otherwise. ;)

Checkmate! :D
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Postby Finbarr » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:05 pm

This post raises an interesting related point in my mind. The idea that excellence in any field is attained by being in the now. I believe the masters in sports, business, entertainment etc have a thing going on where in their chosen field, they have let it all go and are just doing what their doing in the moment. So maybe we should be using our activities in life to practice the power of now.
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Postby Blenderhead » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:31 pm

Chess is a fun game, I currently have a membership on "playchess.com", which is the best online place to play.

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Postby Finbarr » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:45 pm

Blenderhead wrote:Chess is a fun game, I currently have a membership on "playchess.com", which is the best online place to play.

:)


Cool. I'll check that one out. It beats running around, violently exterminating craggy aliens in a post apocalyptic nightmare. Or playing science fiction platform shoot-em-ups :)
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Re: Chess - Path to Presence

Postby jj » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:04 am

Narz wrote:Chess is seen as a highly analytical game centered mostly around deep calculation. For the most part, this is true. However, it is important to remember, that, like everything else, chess is always in the now.


Yes, it's very possible. With practice one can learn to use the mind as a highly effective tool, with little or no 'me' (ego) involvement in just about any practice. Three years before I was exposed to The Power of Now (or any new age spiritual work), I noticed that I was using my mind as a tool to do photography. I noticed that there was peace and that I was in control, but that my mind was not in control. There was complete focus in what I was doing and also I was not attached to any future outcome but rather purely on what I was doing in the moment. I had been in that mode many times previously however this was the first time I consciously realized this was happening. I had realized awareness.

Here is the photo I was taking- http://www.jonathanjessup.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-100
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Postby Dongle » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:24 am

Unfortunately, while it may seem experienced or expert chess players play chess in the 'now', unless they are completely dis identified with mind, they cannot be present. I say this because in each and every competitive chess players life he or she has acquired a mass of head knowledge concerning the possible plays at every given moment on the chess board. Chess is a formulaic game, Kasparov has written various books on chess, I recommend you read them, he details methods for choosing the right play, where each is equal to a set or group of moves, according to the present location of all the pieces on the board.

Regardless, chess is not played according to the moment but according to the next one, a future moment, and hence is not now, the focus is in the future, an illusion.

P.S. JJ that is a gorgeous photograph
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Postby JD » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:27 pm

The Master's verdict:

Another thing I don't recommend: There's a big chess board out there somewhere [in the retreat grounds] with huge chess pieces - (there's nothing wrong with chess, it's an incredible game [see: http://eckhart-tolle-forum.inner-growth ... 5724#15724 ]) - but it does stimulate the mind.

There may be great chess masters who are still while they play. I don't know. But when I play it, it stimulates my mind. I don't know it very well - okay, this one is going to jump there - then you have to think three moves ahead...

ET - The Art Of Presence (audiobook transcription).
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Re: Chess - Path to Presence

Postby Narz » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:22 am

jj wrote:Yes, it's very possible. With practice one can learn to use the mind as a highly effective tool, with little or no 'me' (ego) involvement in just about any practice. Three years before I was exposed to The Power of Now (or any new age spiritual work), I noticed that I was using my mind as a tool to do photography. I noticed that there was peace and that I was in control, but that my mind was not in control. There was complete focus in what I was doing and also I was not attached to any future outcome but rather purely on what I was doing in the moment. I had been in that mode many times previously however this was the first time I consciously realized this was happening. I had realized awareness.

Here is the photo I was taking- http://www.jonathanjessup.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-100

Beautiful photo! :) And cool story.

Dongle wrote:Unfortunately, while it may seem experienced or expert chess players play chess in the 'now', unless they are completely dis identified with mind, they cannot be present. I say this because in each and every competitive chess players life he or she has acquired a mass of head knowledge concerning the possible plays at every given moment on the chess board. Chess is a formulaic game, Kasparov has written various books on chess, I recommend you read them, he details methods for choosing the right play, where each is equal to a set or group of moves, according to the present location of all the pieces on the board.

Regardless, chess is not played according to the moment but according to the next one, a future moment, and hence is not now, the focus is in the future, an illusion.

I've read one of Kasparov's books (and dozens of others, I have quite a collection :)). I disagree with you though that the mind (in chess) is focused on illusion. Realisticly one does indeed have to focus on the future but only as it relates to the present. If you focus on unrealistic & improbable futures at the expense of the present then you will lose. If anything you have to hone perfectly (as least as it relates to the world of the 64 squares) the difference between the real & the unreal.

And often you just have to go with your intuition/instinct, knowing that you cannot possibly see far ahead enough to be certain but trusting yourself and just leaping in. This is how humans are still able to compete with machines even though machines can think billions of times faster than any of us.

Like it or not, life requires us to think ahead. I do not believe it is impossible to think ahead and be present at the same time. It is impossible for humans to survive without planning ahead, visualizing, etc. In fact, it is one of the main things that make us human. It seems that many people make any sort of planning at all some sort of enemy and this seems like a recipe for eternal unhappiness.

JD wrote:The Master's verdict:

Another thing I don't recommend: There's a big chess board out there somewhere [in the retreat grounds] with huge chess pieces - (there's nothing wrong with chess, it's an incredible game [see: viewtopic.php?p=15724#15724 ]) - but it does stimulate the mind.

There may be great chess masters who are still while they play. I don't know. But when I play it, it stimulates my mind. I don't know it very well - okay, this one is going to jump there - then you have to think three moves ahead...

ET - The Art Of Presence (audiobook transcription).

With due respect to Echart, that's merely his opinion. For some writing a book might "stimulate the mind". And I will have to disagree with "the master" that stimulation of the mind is a "bad thing". It is as healthy & necessary (perhaps more so) as stimulating the body. Nuns who did similar "mental exercise" (such as doing crossword puzzles, another activity ET seems to dislike) lived significantly longer than their less mentally active peers.

Hope some of y'all are still here. It's been awhile and I kind of got bored of philosophy for awhile. But it never truly grows old (and hopefully neither will I :)) so here I am, back. Hello to all. :)
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Re: Chess - Path to Presence

Postby Sighclone » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:15 pm

Isn't chess competition to see who wins? Isn't that egoic?

Those are sort of rhetorical questions because I play golf...a lot. I am far more disappointed when I hit a bad shot than when I lose. I do not enter tournaments. I like to hit good shots, and believe me, there is a lot of mental stimulation in golf also. And the ego and pain body are always nearby.

Just because the mind is stimulated doesn't mean it is in control.

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Re: Chess - Path to Presence

Postby Narz » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:29 am

Sighclone wrote:Isn't chess competition to see who wins? Isn't that egoic?

It can be. Just like martial arts.

But if you care more about doing your best rather than winning it doesn't have to be.

I'd rather win 1 out of 10 against a truly great player than 9 out of 10 against someone weaker than me.
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