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John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:47 pm
by tikey
Hi There.

If anyone of you know about John Titor than you propably know that he is that strange guy who appeard in the internet since autumn 2000 till march
2001 and who told himself to be time-traveller from year 2036 :) I know it sounds ridicolous to you, but I had some idea in that. When he
was talking to people and while answearing their question about future an time travel (he made much of controversaries) it was clear to me
that he is kind of enlightened (maybe because the future suffering had "pushed" people toward enlightening) And so, if you believe
if he was time traveler or not (that's not so important) he made theese statesment's about awakening and I'm interested in your point
of view, because I fully agree with them and they are similar to my own concept's that our free will is something we often use to be further from God,
to be even againt him..... and If we had no free will we wouldn't act so... and that's why as Eckhart says many people get to the "kingdom
of heaven" kicking and screaming.... so the suffering is the only way.... or some really insightfull realization that the way to God is the only
way to happiness..... so leave your egos.... and.... join the kingdom of heaven... so simple but who of us actually does it?


"Q:Is spiritual awakening a difficult process?
A:I believe spiritual awakening is difficult. Why? I think God wants us back but the road we have to haul is no picnic. Maybe he's a little angry for some reason.

I think the world is seductively clever in its presentation. "It" wants us to stay here and it distracts us from God by creating want, greed and four or five
other motivations. Our goal should be to; yes, have faith and do good deeds but also look past that and have the wisdom and knowledge to realize that this place, this world, this universe is not really our home. The question I ask myself is not can I get to God, it's, am I prepared for what will it be like when I get there."

"Q:There are plenty of great mysteries, but if your goal is to get to God', it is not necessary to solve them.
A:I mean mysteries not of this world. For example: I suspect that the final thing we will have to give up to get to God is our free will. Do you think many
people will be standing at the pearly gates saying "yes" to that one if they had a choice to come back here?"

PS.He made many interesting statements about our times. One of them is this:
"Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically
ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that."

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:46 pm
by fish-master
I think the idea that the road to God is difficult in order to prepare us for when we arrive is very important. I don't think of it so much as a test, but as with any great accomplishment, it is much sweeter if we have to work hard for it. So in one way, we will appreciate God more if we had to put a lot of effort to reach him.

I think the more important sense however is that reaching God is only part of the journey, once there we must understand why we are there and what it means to be there. We also want to stay there!

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:22 pm
by tikey
yes, and once there we must endure not to fall in the old habits!

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:35 am
by weopposedeception
Well we certainly don't want God to get angry. Never know what he might do to us. :cry:

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:02 pm
by paul_boro
He?? :?

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:47 am
by Suzanne
Why would anyone assume that if someone were in fact from the future, which of course, an enlightened person doesn't even recognize, that the person from the future would be any more enlightened than someone from the past?

The argument could be made that humankind has been more enlightened in the past than it is now.

If this guy wants to convince anyone that he is some kind of awakening emmis :wink: sary, he should at least do his homework, first.

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:11 pm
by Ives
Suzanne wrote:Why would anyone assume that if someone were in fact from the future ... that the person from the future would be any more enlightened than someone from the past?
You're right, he could be a complete moron from the future.

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:01 pm
by dubhasa
Suzanne wrote:Why would anyone assume that if someone were in fact from the future, which of course, an enlightened person doesn't even recognize, that the person from the future would be any more enlightened than someone from the past?

The argument could be made that humankind has been more enlightened in the past than it is now.

If this guy wants to convince anyone that he is some kind of awakening emmis :wink: sary, he should at least do his homework, first.
Very clear and logical thinking Suzanne.

I completely agree..

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:29 am
by Suzanne
Thankyou, Ives and Dubhasa. I think what makes this skeptic (moi) a convert to Eckhart's ideas is the fact that he isn't trying to build a cult. I'm sure the sales of his CD's have made him a lot of money, but after you buy 3 or 4 of his books/CD's, they do get repetitive, and he promises you that up front. At some point he'll have saturated the market and his sales will level off and he won't attempt anything new just to make more sales.

In fact, he says up front that you won't get any new information from him or any wisdom that you wouldn't come by through sheer frustration with conventional conditioning. And he doesn't have you invest in a long term program: Just be present now and you won't need anything else. Put the books and CD's away.

As another wise member of this board said, "Eckhart is the end of the self-help treadmill." Not a great way to keep perpetuating your own market if you're out for profit.

And we should all remain skeptical of anything anyone proposes, without some personal experiences to validate the ideas. :)

I don't know John Titor, but I'm sure if I looked, there will always be people making such claims. He won't be the last.

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:43 pm
by dubhasa
Suzanne wrote: As another wise member of this board said, "Eckhart is the end of the self-help treadmill." Not a great way to keep perpetuating your own market if you're out for profit.
And we should all remain skeptical of anything anyone proposes, without some personal experiences to validate the ideas. :)
I don't know John Titor, but I'm sure if I looked, there will always be people making such claims. He won't be the last.
My apologies for being repetitive but it is always critically important to place spirit of open inquiry above faith of any kind; as quoted by Buddha.
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
Siddharth Gautam

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:08 pm
by Onceler
Actually, I went through the John Titor posts and found them to be interesting. He is not talking about spirituality per se. I don't believe he is from the future anymore than any of the rest of us live in the future. In a rather Swiftian device, he took on the persona of a visitor from the future in order to make social commentary/satire on our society as it is now. The lens is rather focused and incisive....To add to the intrigue he said he was going back to the future and completely stopped posting after 3 months. Rather clever (and no attempt to start a cult).

Onceler

P.S. I brought this up at Thanksgiving and my family just stared at me....nothing new there....

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:38 am
by Onceler
Although on second thought, the person who created John Titor is probably the same person who is making money off the "official" website and selling t-shirts. Gotta make a living...

On third thought, when we are in the present, we are all really visiting from the future...or past, right?

Onceler

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:46 pm
by tikey
yeah, the reason I started this post was one of Titors statement's that he made, which is incredibly close to what Eckhart says about the power of now:

The question is define "time".
To me, time has two definitions. I see time as a mathematical component of a 10 dimensional super universe. It is a variable I use to define my location and existence.

I also see time as a metaphysical compromise our senses use to define the area of collective existence God has placed us in.

When I can measure and sense time, I know I am not with God.

Re: John Titor About Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:01 am
by Onceler
Great quote, Tikey. I didn't run across that one and I see your point. I enjoyed skimming through the Titor posts, it was fun.

Thanks for the recomendation.

Onceler