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It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:45 pm
by now-here
to recognize the utter futility of a dehumanizing doctrine.

I used to "suffer", silly me...I was humanizing people, as opposed to seeing them as NOTHING....nothing more than a molecular dance....similar to the stupid story of "john the fish."


"always say YES to what is and see how life suddenly starts working for you rather than against you." Eckhart Tolle

First, when has life EVER worked against us? If you're familiar with Tolle's writing you have discovered that he advocates the mindset of "there are NO problems...only situations to be dealt with".The disease of cancer...which is akin to life "out of control" ,or perhaps as an economist would put it.."negative growth" is NOT a problem. Saying "YES" to cancer is NOT a cure...it may help the poor individual negotiate his condition better though. Fair enough.

Let's take a trip on my "time machine" and go back to another "NOW". Remember, "people say that the Romans lived in the past....how could they? Nobody lived in the past..they lived in the NOW" - ET
Therefore the Communists, the Nazis, all living in the divine suchness of the one eternal moment...which is always NOW!!

It's pre WWII Germany and a young author has risen to prominence with his "guide to spiritual enlightenment". He also has acquired the backing of a robust and VERY ARYAN media baroness. Who had the wherewithal to expose certain criminal elements within the govt. but lacked the chutzpah...she also had a STRONG aversion to unemployment lines.


Let's jump ahead in time NOW and allow me to speculate on what the historians would say.

"realizing that an underground resistance movement was afoot, somehow...they were actually able to sell the people, German and Jew alike, on the idea of non-resistance to what IS as a form of enlightenment. By gradually dehumanizing his audience/people by regarding them as no more than a "molecular dance" (see 'John the fish in The Power of Now) they quickly learned that self-satisfaction was primary. Midnight searches and abductions were carried out under the guise of "accepting the suchness of ZIS moment!! to resist what is...IS TO SUFFER!!" This was sufficient for both the SS and the people as well. By convincing them that foresight is an illusion they eventually accepted the idea of the "future" being no more than a mental phantom and detrimental to their JOY, their happiness, and their freedom. they really prized their freedom!!
By suppresing natural tendencies and curiosities they were able to squelch the emotive and intuitive nature of the heart itself...eventually they distanced themselves from compassion...with dire results. They were taught to see these things as nothing more than a "meaningless attachment" to the past, ego based, and a total denial of WHAT IS."
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Extreme? perhaps....of course we know what Oprah says on recent editions of The Power Of Now...
"MORE JOY-RIGHT NOW" yeah, kind of like a happy meal at the drive-thru. So..."joy" itself isn't sufficient on a planet where MANY just struggle for their daily bread?
No it isn't...the people want MORE JOY and they WANT IT NOW!!!!

More soldiers dying for a lie so that one can keep his belly and his tank full RIGHT NOW?

More unanswered questions on 9/11 being ignored...RIGHT NOW?

A media baroness with the power to address these issues ignoring them RIGHT NOW at the behest of her masters?

Eckhart speaks of the "glossy people" in one his live talks who outwardly appear to "have it all", yet internally, they're miserable...dependent on legal and illegal drugs. He NEVER gives a concrete example of just who the "glossy people" are

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:47 pm
by now-here
you're being to set up to accept the march of facsism with NO resistance. I'm addressing North American readers here. To "resist" is to "suffer"....NOW GET INTO THAT TRAIN!!!

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:38 pm
by now-here
what amazes me as well is what Eckhart "counsels" his audience to accept. On the Findorn CD as well as on In The Presence Of A Great Mystery he's encouraging people to not resist the suchness of their accomodations. He says that some people come to retreats and the weekend is spoiled for them as their accomodations haven't met their expectations. I guess this serves as a juvenile and utterly meaningless example of "accepting the suchness of this moment". Given that buddhists in China were practicing a similar philosophy prior to communism, perhaps their passivity helped lay the groundwork for a murderous ideology....Take your "suchness of THIS moment" to Palestine dear Eckhart, or Iraq, or Afghanistan.
Why not encourage Oprah to use her media prowess to help expose the criminal and murderous elements within her countries govt. Alas, Oprah has a fear of the future...and an unemployment line.

I love how a vague dash of quantum mechanics is thrown in sparingly by Eckhart as proof of our inherent oneness. I equate this with peeking through the keyhole and then claiming to OWN and understand the whole mansion.

This ideology is insidious as it encourages you to view people and rocks as the same, a quantum and molecular dance. If you find this liberating, more "power" to you. And admit it, that's what he is selling...and what SO many crave...POWER!!! Yes!! The "power" to accept a cup of coffee without a grievance, HOW enlightened that must feel.

I'm analyzing more of his talks and writings....it happened the other night. call it a brain wave, an epiphany....
Don't you see how you try to "do" now....which of course carries with it an implicit "then".
Now, I know that Eckhart doesn't teach advaita nondualism...but indirectly he does. The "now" IS one...one with the fulness of life. Advaita teachings that I have encountered are a sure fire recipe for spiritual schizophrenia that I might address in another thread.

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:39 pm
by now-here
Tolle dehumanizes people even further in A New Earth when he uses the Spanish distinctions of "love".
Te quiero - "I want you" as oppossed to more infrequently used Te amo. Apparently the "true" love as expressed in Ti amo is used sparingly because true "love" is jsut as rare. Perhaps in Spain that's the way things are, I don't know. And HOW is it "dehumanizing"? he's negating all the mother love on this planet. The newborn and mother which is potentially the "purest" and natural affection there is. Which of course is irrelevant once you've come to view people as nothing but a molecular dance.

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:51 pm
by erict
I've read through the posts, and I really tried but I've failed to understand, so maybe you could sum up in a sentence or two - what is your point? Unless of course you're just ranting, then you don't need to sum up. :)

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:53 pm
by now-here
good lord...it's just a few posts. It's Tolle who requires a book to state the obvious.

TOLLE'S DOCTRINEIS DEHUMANIZING!! NO rant...RE-READ my posts...better yet, come to my seminars.

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:05 pm
by now-here
I'm trying to show how perverse these "teachings" are. Had they flourished on a pre WWII nazi Germany....well, reflect on that a little...perhaps it will become clearer. I have NO interest to "awaken" you, as you already are. Hey! you're in Israel? Any chance of Eckhart selling this to the Palestinians? They REALLY need to learn how to accept the exquisite suchness of political Zionism.

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:06 pm
by weichen
TOLLE'S DOCTRINEIS DEHUMANIZING!! NO rant...RE-READ my posts...better yet, come to my seminars.
now-here,
are you impersonating a painbody? if so, I applaud you. Well done!

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:18 pm
by now-here
why would you applaud a molecular dance? I mean...feel "free"....that's your choice. And Eric? being in Israel I think that you're COMPLETELY unaware of the creeping fascism in the USA.

I too shall applaud my "dance"...the awakening from the utter banality of Tolles non-teaching. He's better than Tony Parsons and his "open secret",....but really folks, through repeated listenings of his live talks I have come to hear something so insidious as to beggar belief. Have you noticed just how DOWN he gets on relationships?

Since when is the START of a relationship the END of the story? His broad sweeping generalizations regarding relationships leads me to believe that some major dysfunction is at work within Eckhart...but that is none of my business.

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:26 pm
by now-here
damn...when I listen to this chap during his live talks he at least provides me with tears....and they are not tears of joy. Half the time I think he's counselling stressed yuppies who had to settle for the BMW when their heart was set on the Alpha Romero.

you people perceive yourself as being "awake"....
oh dear.

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:38 pm
by now-here
he loves quoting Jesus when 2000 years of history are on his side to support his thesis, but he has yet to quote the time when Jesus was TOTALLY non-accepting of the suchness of the money changers in the temple, and in fact, became violent. some things never change. It's as if the mere mentioning of negativity will somehow taint the...."suchness of now". I feel like repeating that phrase until you're as sick of it as I am.

Or the time Tolle relates a story on "Through The Open Door......"

"sometimes" says Tolle, ' because of its popularity, The Power Of Now ends up in the hands of people who are not yet ready for it!"

well, THAT one made me laugh. He's subliminally telling his audience of course that THEY are indeed READY...MORE than ready...they're part of the IN crowd. the enlightened ones.

wasn't it Lao-Tzu who said...."the NOW that can be named is not the eternal NOW"
wait, NO!! I said that, forgive me.

Then he'll go on to quote "A Course In Miracles", you know....the Bible that Jesus re-wrote through an atheist.
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Central
Intelligence
Manifesto

and what a LOAD.

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:42 am
by sailing
:idea: The Power of Now, was not created by Eckhart Tolle. He is just a man writing about his experience with the power of now. I too experience the power of now and that has nothing to do with sailing except that she opens herself to the experience when she gets out of her head and goes inside to listen for the stillness that is there. Its that simple. This is not a religion, this is an experience available to those who will shut-up their head and listen to the divine within. There are no further arguements about it once you have experienced it. Some things Eckhart has said or written ring true. The rest is only his viewpoint. He is not to be worshiped.

Your sister, sailing

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:01 pm
by Onceler
Now-here,

I agree that there are big concerns in society right now. What do you suggest we do to fight the creeping facism, besides reject Tolle?

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:40 pm
by now-here
well....first REJECT Tolle! Again...it's taken some time. I will return again and again and again to the juvenile example of "john the fish" as an uncompromising example of the futility of this doctrine and how EASILY it lends itself to perversion. John the fish...or 6 million Jews...what's it matter when its nothing more than a molecular dance?
These statements that come from a perceived "healer" of the split mind IS the SPLIT MIND TALKING! And Tolle's split mind doesn't know what it's talking about. As in "A New Earth"...a "new" now Eckhart? this Earth isn't good enough for you? Would you like your new earth to come with a lifetime warranty as well?....NO...the title appeals to the insatiable consumer, fixated on the NEW!!! Awaken to "your" lifes purpose. You're no sooner into the book and he's telling you that "you don't have a life...you ARE life!!", right then Eckhart, so what do we "awaken to".

"it's ALWAYS now" says Tolle on the Findhorn CD....'even the greatest philosopher would have a hard time arguing with that'. This sets up his audience to perceive that they must be in the presence of a truly great mystic....because not even the greatest philosopher would argue with his statements.

right, and WHY would she argue that? another classic example of just how juvenile this "doctrine" is. The greatest philosopher isn't going to argue the fact that we're all breathing as well.

BACK to the molecules!!

1. LIGHT = potential: NO mass, outside of space and time. 3 degrees of freedom NO symmetry.

2.NUCLEAR = binding: substance, force, "probabilty fog". 2 degrees of freedom, bilateral symmetry

3.ATOMIC= Identity: acquires its own center. Elements, order creates properties. Exclusion principle. 1 degree of freedom; radial symmetry

4.MOLECULAR= COMBINATION: molar proerties, Classical physics, determinism. 0 degrees of freedom, complete symmetry

5.VEGETABLE= GROWTH; self multiplication. Order building by negative entropy

6.ANIMAL= MOBILITY: action and satisfaction. Digestion, mobility. CHOICE becomes possible

7DOMINION= CONSCIOUSNESS: memory of one's own acts leads to knowledge and control

there's a rich tapestry and interplay here....and so easy to reduce atrocities to a mere "molecular dance".

Re: It's taken time...

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:55 pm
by now-here
sailing wrote::idea: The Power of Now, was not created by Eckhart Tolle. He is just a man writing about his experience with the power of now. I too experience the power of now and that has nothing to do with sailing except that she opens herself to the experience when she gets out of her head and goes inside to listen for the stillness that is there. Its that simple. This is not a religion, this is an experience available to those who will shut-up their head and listen to the divine within. There are no further arguements about it once you have experienced it. Some things Eckhart has said or written ring true. The rest is only his viewpoint. He is not to be worshiped.

Your sister, sailing
Who's "worshipping"? not me. "Shut up their head and listen to divine within"? That's a split mind talking again...and Tolle CONTRIBUTES to that fracturing. What about the divine "without"? is it less sacred than the perceived divine "within".
Is Findhorn any more or less sacred than a CIA torture chamber? It IS!?!?!? how so? it's all arising in the suchness of THIS MOMENT. You of course realize that George W Bush has squashed a bill banning torture? You realize that "BAD MOLECULES" are being tortured by the perceived "GOOD MOLECULES"...who are helping to keep you "free"...free to watch television, go sailing, read Tolle, or lose 35 pounds on some latest Oprah Winfrey fad diet.

Tolle is pacifying his audience with quasi-advaita, a course in miracles, double speak. Helped by a media baroness who LOVES to appease her insatiable audience with trinkets...with something NEW!!! yeah baby, something BIG, SHINY, and NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like a NEW EARTH!!!!

Look....I've been a musician for over 30 years. Do you want personal examples of being in "the now"? It's SO obvious to musicians, something that Eckhart is not. Well....I don't wish to limit him....as we're of course ..."all one"