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Ageless truth

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:54 pm
by DWBH1953
The other day I was watching a movie Ghost Dog about a spiritual hit man.
Throughout the movie they were quoting The Art of War.

..Our bodies are given life from the midst of nothingness. Existing where there is nothing is the meaning of the phrase, Form is emptiness. That all things are provided for by nothingness is the meaning of the phrase , Emptiness is form. One should not think that these are two seperate things.
The Art of War.

There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the present monent. A mans whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there will be nothing else to do, and nothing else to pursue.
the Art of War

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:10 am
by mmy
I have heard Eckhart speak of form is emptiness and emptiness is form. I haven't heard him elaborate on that and I am confused by it. Form is emptiness, yes, but emptiness is form? Maybe it's something I'm trying to mentally grasp that is not possible.
DWBH1953 wrote:That all things are provided for by nothingness is the meaning of the phrase , Emptiness is form.
Still not clear to me :?

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:32 am
by DWBH1953
mmy wrote:I]That all things are provided for by nothingness is the meaning of the phrase , Emptiness is form.
Still not clear to me :?
Hi mmy,

Certain truths do seem to be hard to grasp with the mind. ET probably did not elaborate because some truths are very hard to describe with words. Language is so limited no matter how good you are at explaining. My own take on this phrase is that form is the container for emptiness to be in if that makes any sense to you.
Peace
Randji

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:33 pm
by mmy
DWBH1953 wrote:My own take on this phrase is that form is the container for emptiness to be in if that makes any sense to you.
Thanks Randji, that does make sense to me :)

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:32 pm
by aquarius123esoteric
'form is the container for emptiness to be in '

The way I see it, the physical form - our body - is the container, the vessel and the vehicle that our spirit and soul uses to move us through our present lifetime, so that we may gather the experiences we need to help us grow in wisdom and understanding, to enable us to eventually return us into the consciousness of our true nature and our real home, in the world of light. The very cells of all form, including those of our physical bodies, in truth are not solid at all but filled with light

With love and light,
Aquarius

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:54 am
by Tony-S-Ma
All That Is is context and contents of Existence. There is no opposite to Existence. When one is existential in Existence, can one become non-existential? We know, in the manifested reality, forms come and go. Can the essence of a form become non-existential? Violence is a manifested form, can the essence of violence become non-existential?

It seems that any essence in Existence is forever existential. However, the form manifestation of an essence requires certain conditions. When all humanity shies away from the essence of violence, it can not manifest amongst human. It appears that the essence of many human sufferings is EGO which has accumulated vast experience for its survival(manifestation) in forms.

The right terminology is to transcend EGO, not just to shy away from it.

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:44 am
by karmarider
Your signature quotation of Ramana says it all. Forms, formless, manifest, transcendence, ego, existentialism--If we get to a point where we think we need to understand it, or to a point where we think we've understood it--well, that's not it.

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:19 am
by randomguy
"Form is emptiness... Emptiness is form..." to me is the core of the first quote; seems pretty non-dual.

Recognition of the present moment works for warrior's too it seems. This reminds me of the Bhagavad Gita. War can be a part of life. What is reality lived with simultaneous surrender and action?

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:06 pm
by karmarider
randomguy wrote:"...This reminds me of the Bhagavad Gita. War can be a part of life. What is reality lived with simultaneous surrender and action?
Gandhi had trouble with the war in the Mahabharata, and that Krishna encouraged Arjun to kill. His interpretation was that the war represented inner turmoil. Another interpretation is that the Mahabharata represents how human beings live, and the Gita represents how they could be living. Yet another is similar to yours, which is to accept what is, and act.

Re: Ageless truth

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:14 am
by randomguy
Gandhi had trouble with the war in the Mahabharata, and that Krishna encouraged Arjun to kill.
That's interesting, I didn't know that, and that would make sense. I'm guessing Gandhi possessed a little more wisdom about the effectiveness of non-violence than did the author who represented Krishna. It might be enjoyable to reread that.
I'd like to add one action to your last interpretation. Accept what is, act and learn.