Yet if one is plagued by a conditioned ego perspective, filled with misrepresentations as to the nature of self/life, that brings constant (or even occasional) suffering to consciousness, can a search for truth not bring clarity and freedom from such suffering? Examples: concepts of isolating judgments, such as hate and fear, predudice and condemnation, and their endless derivatives. Is not a search for truth into the nature of one's own being a spiritual search of sorts? And isn't clarity into the nature of being an opportunity to free one's perspective from such damaging concepts and their related suffering?+Jim+ wrote:If one isn't wasting time on spiritual seeking, then one's time can be spent living a life in reality.Webwanderer wrote:What then, is not a waste of time, and life? To assert that one thing, such as spiritual seeking is a waste, does it not then follow that some other activity is more productive and not a waste? If so, What? If on the other hand everything is a waste, then can anything actually be a waste without something better to compare it to?This is a waste of time. All spiritual seeking is a waste of time. It is a waste of life.
One would be available to spend quality time with family, friends and new aquaintances. Time for singing, dancing, sitting, walking, watching..... there's so much in life that is worth doing.
If we stipulate that the ego isn't real as an actual identity, can we consider the nature of experience itself? Can experience be imaginary? Certainly interpretation can be imaginary, as that reflects back on the mind. But what is the nature of pure, undefined experience...real or imaginary? Its beauty is that realization of any truth can be clearly seen only in stillness, free of analysis.+Jim+ wrote:The ego isn't real - a sincere investigation will reveal that.It seems easy to attack the ego sense of being as not real, but what exactly is not real? ...the ego, or the imagining of it? What I'm getting at is: is experience real? You are sitting there reading this post (or at least imagine yourself to be ). As much as the form and content of what's present may fairly be pointed out as being imaginary in the greater sense of awareness, does it also follow that the experience of the imaginary construct is also imaginary?Even in the moments when it appears to exist, is there actually something called "ego" or is there an
imagining of it?
The first post of this thread was a wonderfully clear example of such an investigation.
Only an investigation into the nature of reality and the role of thought and imagination will clarify your last point.
And what is an "investigation into the nature of reality and..." if not a spiritual search? It seems the search itself is not the waste, but rather the potential for waste lies in where and how (intellectually vs experiencially) one looks for understanding. If one seeks only through the mind for some analytical order in ever more cycles of refinement, searching can be a lifelong distraction indeed. I make this point to bring some clarity on the distinction of seeking through mental refinement of analytical concepts, and seeking through genuine experience.