Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

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Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by karmarider » Wed May 13, 2009 9:28 pm

Ramana Mahirishi in a nutshell:
1. There’s no need to change or avoid changing anything you’re currently
doing.
2. The only problem there is, is a false belief about what you are.
3. The only solution that will work, is to see the truth of what you are.
4. There’s no need to understand what you falsely believe yourself to be,
nor is it possible to do so.
5. This false belief is entirely unconscious and cannot be seen.
6. There’s nothing you can do that can rid you of this false belief, other
than directly seeing for yourself the truth of what you are.
7. All that you can know for sure about yourself is that you are here. All
the rest is story and conjecture.
8. Self-inquiry is therefore nothing other than turning your attention to
your simple and certain “here-ness, ” and seeing it directly for yourself.
9. Consistently practiced, self-inquiry acts like a medicine that gradually
dissolves the false belief that’s causing your problems, and gradually
replaces your concerned control with peaceful ease and trust.

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Sighclone » Wed May 13, 2009 9:49 pm

From my reading and study, that is a nice summary, kr -- thanks!

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Tony-S-Ma » Thu May 14, 2009 6:44 am

Ramana Maharshi was very fearful when one of his close relative passed away. He seriously inquired life and death at the tender age of 16. Divine Grace responded. After that, he sought knowledge to explain what he received.

What Karmarider listed was Ramana's personal understanding of what he received which is beyond knowledge and understanding. God answered him. There is never enough room in material reality to record God's answer. Just ask those who have experienced near death experiences about God's answers to them. Each of them has a personal version of Truth.

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Post by karmarider » Thu May 14, 2009 8:47 am

oops, should have been clearer, the summation is not mine, I picked it up from somewhere, though I fully resonate with it.

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Post by Glycine » Thu May 14, 2009 3:12 pm

karmarider wrote:Ramana in a nutshell:
7. All that you can know for sure about yourself is that you are here. All the rest is story and conjecture.
When I'm in deep sleep, I don't know that I am here. Therefore, "being here" is a function of the brain.
What I know is that "I am here sometimes."

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Marcel Franke » Thu May 14, 2009 3:30 pm

Glycine:

>When I'm in deep sleep, I don't know that I am here. Therefore, "being here" is a
>function of the brain.
>What I know is that "I am here sometimes."

Maybe memory is not being ?

How can you know that you are in deep sleep ?

If memory is being, and not being is deep sleep,
I was in deep sleep several successive months since 1961.

And concerning that brain,
I suppose only she, or he, who can see the entire Elephant can tell.
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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Tony-S-Ma » Thu May 14, 2009 6:48 pm

When I'm in deep sleep, I don't know that I am here. Therefore, "being here" is a function of the brain.
What I know is that "I am here sometimes."
Honestly, I don't know where I am when I am in deep sleep. This does not deny "I exist"

For sure I exist, the rest are built upon it, may they be stories or whatever :|

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Glycine » Thu May 14, 2009 7:46 pm

I am referring to quote #7 from the first post.
It seems to me that the "knowledge/feeling of existence" is not known for sure all the time. This feeling can disappear even while awake, for example when we are busy with something. Maybe this is where the expression "I got lost in smth..." comes from. Most people experience quite often this "disappearance" and "time warp".
There are very few individuals that are aware of their existence all the time, even while sleeping. Maybe Ramana was talking about himself or those people.

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Tony-S-Ma » Thu May 14, 2009 10:57 pm

I agree. The busy mind often forgets the mantra "I exist" :wink: I was just trying to paraphrase #7 of the original with little twisting :|

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Marcel Franke » Fri May 15, 2009 12:04 am

Glycine:
> Maybe Ramana was talking about himself or those people.

Well, he states: all that you -can- know for sure about yourself is that you are here.
He does not state that everybody knows this all the time.
So he is talking about you and me.

And being here is, when I sit still, and fall in being, and after that I try to catch it in words,
I find that I can't, this moment/presentness,
everything that is in that, this moment, the presentness and all its content, sound, colours, body and the sensing of all that, I am not able to name it.
Somehow I also get the funny feeling like: this really is -all- that there is, it is all, there is nothing else,
an aloneness, but not lonely.
It renders me helpless, but there is no desperation, neither is there hope.

And I think Ramana is a very userfriendly man, with userfriendly pointers,
for he says "you can know about yourself that you are here",
instead of saying "you can know that there is isness",
or simply "isness is".
Which is also too much, isness is, of course issnes is, for it is isness.
So the best he could have said is: "Isness !"
But then who would have understood ?
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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Tony-S-Ma » Fri May 15, 2009 12:42 am

What could one expect from a sixteen year old? He had not the chance to learn to manners of world fully :lol:

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by karmarider » Fri May 15, 2009 8:28 am

Glycine wrote:
karmarider wrote:Ramana in a nutshell:
7. All that you can know for sure about yourself is that you are here. All the rest is story and conjecture.
When I'm in deep sleep, I don't know that I am here. Therefore, "being here" is a function of the brain.
What I know is that "I am here sometimes."
In deep sleep, if you hear a loud sound or someone nudges you, you will wake up. So there is awareness or you would not have been able to react.

The way I read Ramana, is that he says all you know is that you exist, and you have awareness. Work with that exclusively and truth will manifest. He suggests a passive watchfulness of everything that goes on in awareness.

If you think we cannot know that "I exist"--that's valid, and Ramana's advice still works very well. Ramana is pointing out that we don't know any of what we believe.

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Glycine » Fri May 15, 2009 9:32 pm

karmarider wrote:In deep sleep, if you hear a loud sound or someone nudges you, you will wake up. So there is awareness or you would not have been able to react.
I wake up only because the brain is still working. Without a working brain, I would not wake up from sleep.
This doesn't mean that awareness doesn't exist. It just seems to me that "knowing that I am" is a feeling that arises sometimes in awareness, and not awareness itself.

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Tony-S-Ma » Fri May 15, 2009 10:06 pm

Some brains know that brains are contents of the field of awareness which is beyond the total grasp of brain functions. These brains know that they can not know Awareness like they know numbers. These brains no longer pursuit Awareness as knowledge; rather they are less resistant to Awareness directing them to knowledge they (the brains) need. It is a kind of brain surrendering. A brain will eventually become quiet after it becomes used to the directing.

A brain can acquire this knowingness without much education like Ramana Maharshi, or with a lot of education like ET. Both of them went through shocking life experiences. Of course, others may acquire this knowingness smoothly and naturally. There is no set pattern for awakening as many have championed. Nor there is no real conflict in awakening and learning via brain.

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Re: Ramana Mahrishi in a nutshell

Post by Glycine » Fri May 15, 2009 11:18 pm

That's a nice analysis. Thank you, Tony!

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