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Post by HermitLoon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:29 pm

Memory is one of the most basic aspects of "life" - even down to the cellular, molecular and atomic levels. Every cell in every body (plant, etc.) remembers exactly what to do and when to do it, and how to survive and adapt .

In humans the brain is the repository of the memories of all experiences - one of the most powerful of which is the learning of language. Language labels and translates direct experience into the conditioned "virtual reality" of words. The brain does not discriminate - it accepts all experiences from any of the senses, transfers them directly to memory, and then groups them by similarities and retrieves them based on relevance and frequency of usage. Often the conditioned memory contains perspectives of "Cause and Effect", "logic", "what if?", and judgments of "right and wrong", "dangerous and safe", etc. These can be useful (as in driving a car, etc.), but can also produce great suffering (fear, worrying, etc.).
With enough language conditioning, translating experience to language(wordthoughts) becomes a habitual and compulsive response for all that is experienced and the virtual existence of the thinking mind is born. Eventually the experience of "Self as the Witnessing Presence only" can be obscured and one is "lost in the mind".

Direct, thoughtless experience (without mental translation) is a fearless, peaceful and joyous experience.
Filling memory with this experience(through meditation, etc.) can help to re-train the brain - to re-condition memory - more words won't do it.
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Re: Memory

Post by rachMiel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:43 pm

HermitLoon wrote:Direct, thoughtless experience (without mental translation) is a fearless, peaceful experience.
Stuffing memory with these experiences(meditation, etc.) can help to re-train the brain - more words won't do it.
I agree that words often obscure Truth. It's a useful experiment to "banish" all words from your stream of consciousness for a period of time and observe how your perception of "what is" changes.

But the notion of "stuffing" memory ... with anything ... including something as "desirable" as meditation ... i dunno. Seems like an act of violence and repression. As does the notion of "training" the brain. Can true liberation be achieved with stuffing and training? And isn't liberation -- freedom, presence, awakening, etc. -- what we're all "seeking" here?
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Re: Memory

Post by HermitLoon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:53 pm

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But the notion of "stuffing" memory ... with anything ... including something as "desirable" as meditation ... i dunno. Seems like an act of violence and repression. As does the notion of "training" the brain. Can true liberation be achieved with stuffing and training?
"Meditation, etc." is a possible tool to fill("stuff") memory with the experience of no mind so that the virtual world of the thinking mind is no longer primary.
And isn't liberation -- freedom, presence, awakening, etc. -- what we're all "seeking" here?
No.
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Post by rachMiel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:25 pm

HermitLoon wrote:"Meditation, etc." is a possible tool to fill("stuff") memory with the experience of no mind so that the virtual world of the thinking mind is no longer primary.
I don't think there's anything to fill. More like: to empty. Yes?
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HermitLoon wrote:And isn't liberation -- freedom, presence, awakening, etc. -- what we're all "seeking" here?
No.
What then (if anything) ?
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Re: Memory

Post by randomguy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:31 pm

rachMiel wrote:What then (if anything) ?
Humbly from this view:
Simply to see what is true, to know what one is, to abide as what this is.
Through this door, reality uproots dream. Struggle with what is ceases.
It is a natural displacement that occurs in allowance of it, not in achievement.
It is seen that it is unnecessary for one to seek for one's self, and seeking vanishes.

"Realization consists of getting rid of the false idea that one is not realized." - Ramana Maharshi

Could that be called seeking for liberation? Sure, why not? Or seeking for the end of seeking.

I would describe it more as a willingness to see reality that is not only free of expectation but also inherent with the allowance of the utter destruction/reclamation of all that is known and familiar in believing one is founded in separate identity.
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Re: Memory

Post by HermitLoon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:49 pm

I don't think there's anything to fill. More like: to empty. Yes?
Perhaps "fill" is also a misleading word. Observation seems to indicate that the brain, as long as it is functional, keeps adding the sensory inputs of experience to memory without it ever "filling up". Is the brain also capable of deleting("emptying") memories?
No observation of that - and anything is possible.
Observation says that even after the indescribable experience of the "totality of being" that the memory of the virtual world of the thinking mind is still accessible for the brain to play with in humorous detachment.

And that's what HermitLoon is doing here.
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Re: Memory

Post by Marcel Franke » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:37 pm

And next to words, the complete movie.
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Post by rachMiel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:50 pm

randomguy wrote:"Realization consists of getting rid of the false idea that one is not realized." - Ramana Maharshi

Could that be called seeking for liberation? Sure, why not? Or seeking for the end of seeking.
And that's what I'm tawkin' about. :-) It's still a seeking. To not "own up" to this is to further one's self deception. Yes?
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Post by rachMiel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:51 pm

HermitLoon wrote:Observation says that even after the indescribable experience of the "totality of being" that the memory of the virtual world of the thinking mind is still accessible for the brain to play with in humorous detachment.

And that's what HermitLoon is doing here.
Can I play too? ;-) (Already am, brother.) :-)
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Re: Memory

Post by HermitLoon » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:48 pm

Somewhere in the brain are the memories of the pure experiences of being prior to language - although often hidden under layer upon layer of the virtual memories of language-translated experiences.
If possible, remember those early peaceful, joyful experiences - where "self-realization" was not an issue.
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Re: Memory

Post by Sighclone » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:11 pm

"Budda's Brain" talks about all of this....good read.

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A person is not a thing or a process, but an opening through which the universe manifests. - Martin Heidegger
There is not past, no future; everything flows in an eternal present. - James Joyce

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