The notion that there can be a clear understanding of the essential nature of Self, is a misunderstanding. The purpose of life is life. The nature of life is life. The essence of Being is to be. Simple, simple, because all of this is prior to mind and it's stories of purpose and complete understanding and the nature of this or that.Webwanderer wrote:I can work with this: The basic, real, and invariable nature of self.enigma wrote: I'm having trouble with the terminology again. What do you mean by "essential self"?
The point isn't so much to come up with a definitive answer. Conclusions and insights may only be wrong in that they're incomplete. That's to be expected from our limited consciousness. To say an elephant has a trunk is not wrong, to say it is a trunk is the error. The point is to increase understanding and clarity even if it's only piecemeal. Words are all we have to convey an insight one may have to another, and words are inherently incomplete when pointing in their ability to convey.The question "who or what am I" is an invitation to look, not to come up with an answer. Any answer mind comes up with will be wrong. It will be another object that 'you' are aware of.
Rather than seeing how another's view is wrong based on our own definitions, let us strive to look where the words point and get a sense of what is seen. There is no requirement to agree of course, but not to fairly look unnecessarily limits a possible avenue of understanding. Just maybe we'll see that there are more interesting parts connected to that trunk, and that there's more to an elephant than we first imagined.
More dream stuff from what perspective? How much do you know of them? It may well be less dreamy from its own venue than from where we stand in physical form. And while NDEs etc may or may not give greater insight into our Source of being, it certainly offers an awakening into a greater understanding of the nature of life. And such understanding gives a significantly clearer perspective on what purpose there may be in human experience.NDE's and OBE's are more experience; more dream stuff. Nothing in the dream can say anything true about the dreamer.
If there is such a thing as understanding, it's in the clarity of what is NOT so as one views the stories from a place of no perspective at all, and talks about how they're just stories. Stories are fine until they are believed, and then they can become a problem to solve. How can I understand? What is my purpose? How can I comprehend the purpose or the nature or the Self?
You can't, not because you're brain hasn't developed enough or you're not thinking in the right way, but because there is nothing to understand.