Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by dijmart » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:08 am

arel wrote: To me it seems you are suffering because of not having good habits. Being social is one of them. Maybe exercising and eating healthy are other things. So stop digging anywhere on a mental level by posting on here with these type of "spiritual" questions before you actually acquire healthy habits.
Wow, I don't know about Midnight but I found your post incredibly insulting (my ego, yes I know) and patronizing. Who are you to tell him to stop doing this or that before posting on this forum?...
Take what you like and leave the rest.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by Midnight » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:28 pm

dijmart wrote:
arel wrote: To me it seems you are suffering because of not having good habits. Being social is one of them. Maybe exercising and eating healthy are other things. So stop digging anywhere on a mental level by posting on here with these type of "spiritual" questions before you actually acquire healthy habits.
Wow, I don't know about Midnight but I found your post incredibly insulting (my ego, yes I know) and patronizing. Who are you to tell him to stop doing this or that before posting on this forum?...
Well it''s hard to be insulted when someone doesn't have a clue what they are actually on about. I socialise every day and eat healthily, I walk for miles etc, I'm a student in the UK which means i'm always meeting people, so these claims that having 'good habits' could alleviate something like this are just ridiculous really.
Self-inquiry caused all this so I just need answers.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by rontant » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:04 pm

dijmart wrote:
arel wrote: To me it seems you are suffering because of not having good habits. Being social is one of them. Maybe exercising and eating healthy are other things. So stop digging anywhere on a mental level by posting on here with these type of "spiritual" questions before you actually acquire healthy habits.
Wow, I don't know about Midnight but I found your post incredibly insulting (my ego, yes I know) and patronizing. Who are you to tell him to stop doing this or that before posting on this forum?...
It is so easy to insult you. Oh yes, easy to patronize you also.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by arel » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:50 pm

Midnight wrote:
dijmart wrote:
arel wrote: To me it seems you are suffering because of not having good habits. Being social is one of them. Maybe exercising and eating healthy are other things. So stop digging anywhere on a mental level by posting on here with these type of "spiritual" questions before you actually acquire healthy habits.
Wow, I don't know about Midnight but I found your post incredibly insulting (my ego, yes I know) and patronizing. Who are you to tell him to stop doing this or that before posting on this forum?...
Well it''s hard to be insulted when someone doesn't have a clue what they are actually on about. I socialise every day and eat healthily, I walk for miles etc, I'm a student in the UK which means i'm always meeting people, so these claims that having 'good habits' could alleviate something like this are just ridiculous really.
Self-inquiry caused all this so I just need answers.
My focus of saying that wasn't to tell him not to post, but suggestions, from personal experience, of what could be helpful. Sounds to me as depression at this point, and I believe it can be alleviated by a lot by doing something. As Midnight says, it's not it, so that my point is irrelevant...
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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by arel » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:02 pm

To my other point - do you know who you are?
What I say is only my viewpoint.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by Midnight » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:36 pm

arel wrote:To my other point - do you know who you are?
I actually have no idea, doesn't even feel like i'm really here

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by arel » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:18 pm

If you are not here then what knows of this that you are reading?
What I say is only my viewpoint.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by Midnight » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:14 am

my brain and eyes

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by arel » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:35 pm

By you saying this "brain and eyes" it is clear they are images/knowledge, to which I can relate to or know of. But then you and I are the same witness that sees all kinds of things, including "brain and eyes" knowledge. Of course by me stating this I am doing the same thing, referring to concepts, but in my immediate experience right now I see the witness to these concepts. And this is who I really am.
You probably will have some more to say in response to this my writing, but once again they will be seen/known by the witness. It is very mysterious, but undeniable..
What I say is only my viewpoint.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by SandyJoy » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:37 pm

Midnight wrote:my brain and eyes
Catherine of Sienna, one day after a period of introspective prayer and grand enlightenment suddenly she arose and said:

"My me is God.... Nor do I see any other me but my God himself."

She got that one right.

We act as the wrong identity when we act as the ego who possesses this consciousness called Life, and when we believe it is our personal property, the "action" of a private mind. We act this misidentity when we think of ourselves as one who is the recipient of Life.

We act the true identification when we recognize Identity to be Awareness (Life) itself.

We act the true identification when we declare that Awareness itself is being this Identity-I-am and then when we act from the standpoint that Awareness only is being Identity-I, instead of the body-form which is merely the focal point of images within Awareness.

Our Real Identity is so much more than a single shadow-image which this Unseen Light of All includes within Itself.

I think Arel is calling it the "witness".... Where in I prefer to call this Unpossessed Awareness as the Very Awareness of God alone, single, and only. This seeing and being and sense of Me and sense of My Self belongs to God and God Alone, because God is All That Is and all that is the very Source of this time-space-experience we think can some how be outside All Inclusive Godhead.

Its a case of mistaken identity as to exactly "who" we are.

Much Love, SandyJoy
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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by Midnight » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:44 am

arel wrote:By you saying this "brain and eyes" it is clear they are images/knowledge, to which I can relate to or know of. But then you and I are the same witness that sees all kinds of things, including "brain and eyes" knowledge. Of course by me stating this I am doing the same thing, referring to concepts, but in my immediate experience right now I see the witness to these concepts. And this is who I really am.
You probably will have some more to say in response to this my writing, but once again they will be seen/known by the witness. It is very mysterious, but undeniable..
Well, I see this. Its hard to read replies because my brain fog is so strong (it's an aspect of whatever mind state this is that I'm currently experiencing).

I ask myself - who is it that sees brain fog? I have never had a direct experience of this thing, in terms of me asking the question and becoming aware of awareness.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by Maiken » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:24 am

Midnight,

Use the inner body as the anchor to stay present. Eckhart talks about it all the time and it is very simple.
You don´t need to give so much attention to your mind.

Maiken

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by Igor15 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:22 pm

Maiken wrote:Midnight,

Use the inner body as the anchor to stay present. Eckhart talks about it all the time and it is very simple.
You don´t need to give so much attention to your mind.

Maiken
'The inner body' is also 'the mind'. Everything that we experience is 'the mind'. Everything that we can talk about is 'the mind'.
We are 'the mind'. Ego, self, 'true self' is still 'the mind'. You may think up something that isn't 'the mind' but it is still 'the mind'.

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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by SandyJoy » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:15 pm

Midnight,

You are correct; all that you are is "mind' but, you have mistakenly decided that Midnight is the possessor of Mind. Mind is Divine, It belongs to the Ineffable All That Is All, it does not belong to the one who believes he is born and dies and lives inside his body.

I wrote this for a different thread, and it was really very good, but they were so wrapped up over there in who would win the debate that no one really read it. So, I think maybe it was written for you.

I will post it here. I hope this reveals something about your True Identity so that you can let go the limited boxed in view of your Self and Live Free from fear.

There is a missing most essential and important point here. Your focus is on the false limited belief that "Midnight" is creating 'mind"... Not So! ,,, There Is only Divine Mind being you . Our Reality is One with the Changeless. The Changeless One is actually “who we are”. It is Awareness. Awareness never changes, and it right here and right now.

Everyone, all changing things, from a growing flower to the spinning planets, all change, but no matter how far away they are or how much they change, they are all right here within This Changeless Awareness that perceives all the change.

Mind is Awareness. Only God can be This Mind.

Awareness never changes. Really, this Changeless Truth is the very fact of all existence. Awareness exists before time and space. And ‘we’ are Aware, so we are one with Its Omnipresent Changeless Being.

We could not be aware of any change without this Mind that is Awareness being All That Is. If you are aware right now, then you are intimately one with the deep, still, unchanging one Conscious Awareness right now, already. It is does us well to recognize this Fact, rather than turn away from it.

We live alone as an all-inclusive Awareness of existence of God Only and All. The computer here is within Awareness, the tree outside the window is no different; it is here within awareness, the sounds, the sights, the cat sleeping, the wind blowing, all within This Changeless Awareness I Am. Basically, I like to say “God and God's Awareness is being all of everything.”

Naturally if you do not recognize your Real and Changeless Identity as Awareness, then you get swept up in the malee of a mistaken belief that you are separate and outside of Awareness and you are a little body who is one of many being tossed and pummeled by unrelenting changes.

But, in Reality our Self, our Identity is This Changeless One. We as Awareness are not and cannot be pummeled by 'things' within This Awareness I Am.

It is wonderful to know that this Immutable Divine Principle is always right here, It is our Real Identity. Call it whatever you like, It IS Real. There is only one relationship going on; God and God's Awareness.

Awareness is basic. It is the Ground that never changes. And no matter how far we think we wander from It, It is right here and never leaves us. We cannot do anything or go anywhere without It.

Awareness belongs to God and This is Self Knowing, single, only, Identity-I-Am.

No one can deny that Awareness is the common denominator woven through all else that is called experience. Everyone is aware so everyone is one with This Light of God's Being, right now, right here, always.

Just notice this; all we know about everything comes to us by way of consciousness, Awareness. Every sight we have ever seen, every sound we have ever heard—every dream, every idea, every anything from the infinitesimal to the infinite—has been noted by way of Awareness.This is the Changeless Self I am, it never dies and never goes away. That Which Is, Life Eternal, Infinite and All is “who we are.”

If we want to help our world, then we lift our sights to see that nothing and no one is separate nor apart from the Awareness-I-am. Nothing has ever been outside of This Awareness.

We perceive that everything, all the changing things, time, events, situations, coming and going of matter, everyone and everything are within this Awareness, Infinite All's Divine Being, and all appearances are beheld by that Divine Mind. Everyone and all things are the Awareness I am. It is totally peaceful and liberating to Rest your heart In This Knowing, and joyful to adventure Life as your Self. .

Much Joy, Sandy Joy
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Re: Noone else just numb due to these teachings?

Post by Igor15 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:52 pm

There is not the possessor of 'the mind'. 'The mind' as whole has no owner.
'The mind' as whole can't perceive itself. It can't also perceive anything else outside itself because everything is 'the mind'.
In order to perceive something 'the mind' has to be divided. Divided mind is thought. Division of 'the mind' isn't real. So thought isn't real.
The self is thought and it isn't real also. Awareness has the same nature as thought. So it's illusionary.
In other words self, thought and awareness is the same thing(the divided mind).
Seeing that the division isn't real is enlightenment. Coming back to 'the mind' as whole is death.
Death and enlightenment is thought. They are illusional.

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