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Free Will (yet again)

Postby runstrails » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:51 am

I really enjoyed this 5 part essay on Free Will by Dennis Waite. Thought I would share.
http://www.advaita-vision.org/free-will/
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby rachMiel » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:53 am

Dennis is my teacher! Or, as I like to call him, my Advaita hit man. We have an arrangement; I pay him (modestly) and he responds to all my (many) emails.

He's extremely knowledgeable and clear and VERY old-school classic Advaita Vedanta, no neo-Advaita no way. :-)

If anyone wants to strike up some kind of ongoing tutelage arrangement with him, pm me.
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby runstrails » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:18 am

How wonderful rM. Thanks for posting :D.
I love reading his stuff. There is just tons of information on his site!
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby smiileyjen101 » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:55 am

Man is born as part of nature and lives as part of nature. But he does not realize his being an integral part of nature, and therefore is oblivious of the fact that his ability to know, ability of volition, and ability to do works are merely part of the creative function of nature.


And if 'he' does realize this - is this merely the creative nature of nature creating awareness, willingness and capacity in 'him' (through him /of him)?

After all that it's funny, I wonder why the need for belief in reincarnation.
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby rachMiel » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:28 am

This is hilarious. I just read the whole article, and along the way copied one part to put in my journal ... and it turned out to be the same passage you quoted! Here, in its entirety:

Man is born as part of nature and lives as part of nature. But he does not realize his being an integral part of nature, and therefore is oblivious of the fact that his ability to know, ability of volition, and ability to do works are merely part of the creative function of nature. Because of this obliviousness, he thinks he is the doer of these actions. Such a man is called vimUDhAtmA (the stupefied one or the stupid). Only such stupid ones have the sense of agency and they alone have karma.
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby smiileyjen101 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:51 am

That is funny Rach!!

And yes you are right to continue with the rest of the passage, in that it answers my own question :roll:
Those who believe in karma and reincarnation to 'work' it out, believe that it's only those who do not realize 'this' who do have to reincarnate.

It still seems like a prescriptive, convoluted and judgemental 'system' to me though, if it is just 'the creative nature of nature creating awareness, willingness and capacity in 'him' (through him /of him)' why tell 'him' about it all?
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby rachMiel » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:06 am

Personally, I can only accept reincarnation in the metaphorical sense that we all leave our marks on the world, all affect the totality as it flows along.

But it does feel right to me that one's life is less driven by karma when one is living with/in nature, i.e. what some call enlightened.

You?
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby smiileyjen101 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:29 am

Rach said: it does feel right to me that one's life is less driven by karma when one is living with/in nature,

You?


Where acceptance > enjoyment > enthusiasm flow freely in gratitude and generosity... Yep :D
like the free flowing threads of love / light / connection in the spiderweb - universe, neurons
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby snowheight » Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:01 am

Stop talking. Hear every sound as background. Look straight ahead and focus. Take one deep breath. This is you. This is Now.
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby goran » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:06 am

Here is my article on Free Will: http://www.uncoveringlife.com/free-will/

What do you think?
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby Webwanderer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:52 am

goran wrote:Here is my article on Free Will: http://www.uncoveringlife.com/free-will/

What do you think?

Flawed. And please don't be offended. By your logic I had no choice but to answer in this way. But then if you are offended, or for that matter if you aren't, you would have no choice in the matter either. So, by your logic there is no point to having this conversation or wondering what I think about it... accept of course, you had no choice but to ask.

Seems rather insane don't you think? Oh wait...

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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby goran » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:10 am

Webwanderer wrote:Flawed. And please don't be offended. By your logic I had no choice but to answer in this way. But then if you are offended, or for that matter if you aren't, you would have no choice in the matter either. So, by your logic there is no point to having this conversation or wondering what I think about it... accept of course, you had no choice but to ask.

Seems rather insane don't you think? Oh wait...

WW


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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby Webwanderer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:25 pm

Enjoy.

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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby runstrails » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:53 pm

Thanks, Goran. I enjoyed your last paragraph especially.

You might also enjoy this blog post from Gary Weber's site which is nicely elucidates the arguments against free will:
http://happinessbeyondthought.blogspot. ... -free.html

and this one which suggests that you don't even consciously think up what you speak"
http://happinessbeyondthought.blogspot. ... t-you.html
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Re: Free Will (yet again)

Postby Phil2 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:56 pm

rachMiel wrote:Personally, I can only accept reincarnation in the metaphorical sense that we all leave our marks on the world, all affect the totality as it flows along.


Ramana Maharshi used to say that there is no reincarnation ... because there is no 'incarnation' ... just an erroneous identity with the physical body ... you are the Self ...

As for Eckhart Tolle, from what I remember, he said that each thought you make reincarnates you ... so you re-incarnate thousands of times every day ... but of course this incarnation is illusory because what you are is formless awareness ...
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