Will I be a Zoobie without Thinking ?

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Will I be a Zoobie without Thinking ?

Postby anton » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:53 pm

Following explains Thinking, by www.desteni.co.za

Hi Rick123,
My name is Sunette and I will be responding to your question regarding the nature of thoughts and whether you will still have the ability to live and express and experience yourself in this world without the act of thinking.

Rick, no, you won't become an Alzheimer's robot/zombie, you are actually that already. Alzheimer's from the perspective of not remembering and forgetting who you really are, actually fearing who you really are, because you have allowed yourself to define who and what you are according to a mind consciousness system within you. And a robot/zombie from a perspective of becoming a slave to a system which direct and controls who and what you are completely already: Seen in the nature of thoughts, feelings and emotions...

I have added an illustration to this response; the illustration is the manifestation of the mind thought/thinking system, infused within human beings' physical bodies. I will firstly be explaining the system that has been infused within human beings' physical bodies and how thinking has influenced the experience and expression of who you really are - suppressed who you really are. From here, then, I will be explaining to you how exactly you are indeed able to function in this world without the dependence and necessity of thinking, without you defining who you are according to your thoughts and feeling and emotion generators.

I find in your discussion that - you're actually asking whether you will become an Alzheimer zombie during the process of eliminating and eradicating the act of thinking and 'experience' of feelings and emotions, and also stating the obvious that you fear giving up, letting go and releasing yourself from the act of thinking and experiencing feelings and emotions because it is all you have ever known, it is all that you know and have ever known of who you are.

I am starting with explaining the mind thought consciousness system and the feeling and emotions generators in the human physical body: (Refer to this link for the illustration attached: http://www.desteni.co.za/mtcs.htm

Firstly you have the emotional compound energy tube (1A) and the feeling compound energy tube (1B). These tubes are attached alongside your spine and run from within the mind thought container (2A + 2B together) straight through right into your solar plexus (stomach region) to where the emotion and feeling compound energy is released and circulated constantly. The thought container (2A + 2B together) is lodged within your left and right brain hemisphere yet is attached as one. The right brain hemisphere container (2A) is where the emotional compound energy tube (1A) leads and the left brain hemisphere container (2B) is where the feeling compound energy tube (1B) leads.
The eye holographic connecters (3A + 3B) are tubes that run from within the mind thought containers (2A + 2B) straight through to holographic projection interpretations (4A + 4B) that are fused within the back of the human beings' eyes. Both eyes' interpretation connector (5) connects the holographic projection interpretations so that both eyes see and interpret the exact same sight that is seen as pictures through human beings' eyes.
The definitions of the components are as follows:
The mind thought container (2A + 2B) is where your thoughts, memories, pictures, ideas, beliefs, concerns, worry exist in the form of thinking. Within this container is where you would for instance have conversations with yourself, contemplate, wonder about something or worry about something - all in all where thinking takes places. The mind thought container is also divided into three layers which are referred to as the conscious mind thought layer, the subconscious mind thought layer and the unconscious mind thought layer. Within these layers your thoughts are contained, thus you'll have thoughts of which you know of, which exist in your conscious mind and thoughts that you don't know of which continuously circulate in your subconscious and unconscious mind. The moment a thought arise within this container; it generates either emotions or feelings, which are fed through the emotional and feeling compound energy tubes (1A + 1B) right though to your solar plexus (stomach region) where emotional and feeling energy continuously churn. Understand that within the stomach region there is another system, which move continuously, within which all emotional and feeling energy already exist. When a thought arise in the mind thought container (2A + 2B), either an emotional or feeling energy will be transferred through the tubes (1A + 1B) and connect to the thought that arose within the mind thought container (2A + 2B).
The moment the emotional/feeling compound energy connect to the thought within the mind thought container (2A + 2B), the thought that has been compounded with emotional/feeling compound energy moves through the eye holographic connectors (3A + 3B) and manifest in the holographic projection interpretations (4A + 4B) that is fused behind the human beings' eyes. What I mean when I say: 'the thought that has been compounded with emotional/feeling compound energy' is that the thoughts actually become surrounded by emotional/feeling energy, because thoughts are actual manifestations in the mind thought container (2A + 2B), in the dimensions the thoughts look like portraits that are surrounded by a colourful glow - the portrait being the thought and the glowing colours that are surrounding the thought are indication of whether it's emotional/feeling compound energy that is charging the thought. Colours represent certain consciousness emotions/feelings for instance red/dark red would be anger and hatred and purple/pink would be love as an example.
The reason why the compounded thought in the mind thought container (2A + 2B) moves through the eye holographic connectors (3A + 3B) and manifest in the holographic projection interpretations (4A + 4B) that is fused behind the human beings' eyes - is because you then interpret your world, what you see with your human physical eyes according to your compounded emotional/feeling thoughts. Thus you are directed by your compounded emotional/feeling thoughts, as who you are and how you experience yourself in this world by what you see with your human physical eyes and not as who you really are.

Let's take an example to place this into a practical perspective:
You have mentioned your experience regarding sexual energy and relationships, so here I will be explaining what exactly occurs in the entire consciousness mind thought/thinking system regarding sexual energy when you were a child and growing up through the years:
What is already implanted within the entire consciousness mind thought/thinking system is the desire for relationship, ingrained when you were born through you parents' relationship and as you grow up in observing societies' behaviour regarding relationships: It's the most common conversation topic in society, starting in school amongst your friends and is seen and illustrated and manifested and promoted everywhere for instance media, movies, weddings, books, couples walking around hand in hand kissing etc. As I have said, the desire for relationship is already manifested within you when you are born, which develops as you grow older and is done as follows as an already placed structure in the mind thought container:
It's fascinating what it looks like in the mind thought container: There is a picture of yourself manifested there, standing alone on a podium-like structure (in the 2A section of the mind thought container) and on your left (in the 2B section of the mind thought container) is another podium-like structure which stands empty. This 'empty' spot on the podium-like structure (in the 2B section of the mind thought container) is where a manifested picture of a girl is supposed to be, with whom you will probably be in relationship with, if the entire consciousness mind thought/thinking system within you does its job properly. When you start a relationship with a girl for instance, her picture will be placed on the podium-like structure (in the 2B section of the mind thought container) which was previously empty. This signifying that you are now complete and fulfilled within yourself, you are no longer alone / empty within yourself because the empty spot in your mind thought container 2B has now been filled with the picture of the girl with whom you are in relationship with - both pictures charged with multiple amounts of emotional and feeling compound energy during the beginning of the relationship which will probably only last for about three to twelve months depending on how much you and the girl have charged the pictures of each other within your mind thought containers (2A + 2B).
Understand the same goes for the girl; the only difference is that her picture of herself is placed in the 2B section of her mind thought container standing on a podium-like structure. The 2A section of her mind thought container is 'empty', with a podium-like structure within it - on which she will place the picture of you once the relationship starts developing, also compounding both the pictures in her mind thought container with feeling and emotional energy, also no longer experiencing herself alone / empty - she is also now apparently fulfilled. All this occurs when the relationship develops; let's look at the start of the 'blooming' relationship. The placement of the 'relationship podium-like structures' in your mind is manifested in your unconscious mind thought layer in the mind thought container.
The 2A section of the mind thought container represents the male, structural expression whereas the 2B section represents the female, flowing expression as it is set up in the entire mind consciousness system within human beings. Depending on which partner takes what role in the relationship, be it male or female, the picture of themselves will then either be in the 2A section, which represents male (right side of your body) or in the 2B (left side of your body) section which represents female - where either the 2A or 2B section is required to be 'fulfilled' for them to experience themselves as 'complete'. Meaning where either the male (2A) section or the female (2B) section within the mind thought container stands 'empty' with a podium-like structure within it, on which the picture of the partner must be placed to 'tie the knot' in terms of the ignition of a relationship that develops. It's quite fascinating, so who and what really have the relationship Rick: Is it really you as who you are, or is it the mind consciousness systems within you. Because if you have a look, it's first the mind consciousness system within you that establishes the relationship before you, the physical manifestation of yourself in this world, goes into a relationship with your partner.

Let's take a scenario where you and some friends go out, the group consisting of males and females and you are meeting at a place to grab something to eat, or have a drink. You walk in, you sit down and you are introduced to this girl. First you see the picture presentation of her with your human physical eyes - together with that your solar plexus (stomach region) starts churning and moving with emotions and feelings of nervousness, anxiety, warmth and excitement that is ignited by a desire that already exist within your mind thought container of the perfect woman you would one day prefer to have a relationship with, and this woman you see with your human physical eyes represents exactly that. (Understand that within you, for you, thoughts move fast, yet they don't, they actually move considerably slow - it depends on your awareness of yourself. So, you might only experience the movement of energy in your stomach region, without noticing even the thought that arose within your mind.) The 'perfect partner' picture idea/desire that have already existed within your mind, matching exactly the picture of the partner you had see with your human physical eyes - have been placed there by yourself through the years you have grown to 'manhood'. Whether it be picturing your 'dream partner', looking at the characteristics you'd prefer your partner to have, the behavior and entire presentation of the partner you would prefer to be with etc. Like answering the questions when asked: “How would you prefer your partner to be?” and “How would you define your perfect match?”: The answer to this question would be the already manifested idea/desire within your mind thought container that is activated when you see this closely matched partner with your human physical eyes.
Because of the apparent 'feelings' you experience (that also include emotions); you 'know that this is the woman for you' - calculated and formulated on the preconceived idea of the overwhelming surge of 'feelings' you are experiencing within you. You 'have to be with this woman'. And naturally you start changing your voice, body language and behaviour to impress her, to get her attention or to have her notice you etc. Meanwhile what happens in your mind thought container is the following: (This happens the moment you see the girl with your human physical eyes) You have now matched the desired picture in your mind, which was already placed there, of the perfect woman you would like to have a relationship with, attaching this picture with feeling and emotional compound energy which rise from within your stomach region, move through the emotional and feeling tubes (1A + 1B) and connect to the picture in your mind thought container (2A + 2B). Then, the picture of the woman in your mind, compounded with emotional and feeling energy, for instance warmth, anxiety, excitement and nervousness - moves through the eye holographic connectors (3A + 3B) and fuses itself in the holographic projection interpretations (4A + 4B) behind your human physical eyes. Thus the picture of this woman, together with the emotional and feeling energy it is compounded with, is fused behind your eyes, so every time you see her in this world, with your human physical eyes, you will have the exact same reaction within you, within your solar plexus, as you have the first moment you laid eyes on her. Every time you see this girl, and spend time with her, every moment you blink your eyes, are moments that are captured in your mind, and placed in the holographic projection interpretations (4A + 4B) behind your human physical eyes and also stored as memories in the conscious mind layer in the mind thought container. So that every time you see her, all the past moments you have experienced with her comes rushing back, together with the emotions and feelings you experienced in the past moments, that also charge the experience of yourself with this girl every time you meet with her or spend time with her. Memories that control you, and have a hold on you, because you react to them in some way or another every time you think about her, or about past experiences as memories that are placed in your mind.
The same warmth, excitement, nervousness and anxiety will arise every time you see her: Because you have defined yourself according to your feelings and emotions which you have attached to the picture of this girl within your mind, you have also defined a part of yourself with this girl - because her pictures and the 'feelings' you have experienced within you is in relationship together in your mind, you now also physically have to be in a relationship together.
If the girl did the same within herself, attaching a picture of you with the 'feelings' she experienced within herself, also defining part of who she is with you, the picture of you and the 'feelings' she experienced forming a relationship in her mind - the two of you will most probably end up having a 'real' relationship in this world.

What I am showing you here Rick is how human beings are driven by their entire mind thought/thinking consciousness system in this world to which they have defined themselves as who they are. Which you allow to consume you to the extent where it has the ability to transform you completely for a moment, in terms of when you for instance meet a woman you 'like', this assumption drawn from the experience of 'feelings' within you, which are in truth generated by the entire mind thought consciousness system that is imbedded within you.
Then, when the relationship starts, you attach the picture of this girl in the 2B section of the mind thought container on the podium-like structure together with all the feelings and emotions the picture of this girl is compounded with, meaning all that you experience within yourself when you're with her.
Relationships only tend to last a year or so, maybe longer, maybe shorter because the compound energy within you both, actually start running out. Yes - the entire mind thought consciousness system is only able to generate so much energy before it runs out and is required to 'recharge' again. So, in the beginning of the relationship, your 'feelings' within you run amok and you both enjoy every moment with each other because of what you experience within yourself - the energies run wild: Let's refer to what you experience within yourself, the entire package of energetic movements as: Love. Then, one day, suddenly, you realise that: O' my God, I don't feel the same way about this girl - all these 'feelings' within me have disappeared, I don't 'feel' love anymore etc. And there is more conflict between the two of you etc. This is the stage where the emotional and feeling energy you have compounded in your mind together with the picture of this girl have 'run' out. The picture you have placed of this girl on the podium-like structure in the 2B section of your mind is no longer compounded / charged with emotional and feeling compound energy - and you start feeling empty and nothing for this girl as you had in the beginning. This is the period where the two of you actually start getting to know who each other really are, without the charges and compounding of emotions and feelings of the entire consciousness mind thought system within you which have hindered your ability to see with clarity who each other really are from the start.
Because there exist no more 'feelings' for each other, you perceive that you don't 'love' each other anymore and separate - or conflict arise in the relationship because you then actually find out the truth of who each other is, without the motivation of the feelings and emotions within you that have kept the relationship 'alive' and then only realise the two of you are actually not compatible together.
When the two of you separate and you 'get over this girl' - the picture of this girl is removed on the podium-like structure in the 2B section of your mind thought container and then the search is on, to once again search for another woman to place her picture there again, which will 'ignite' another relationship to fulfill within you. This being when the entire mind thought consciousness system will regenerate and recharge its emotional and feeling compound energy.

This I have explained to give you some perspective as to how exactly the entire mind thought consciousness system have been ingrained within human beings. And how thoughts, charged with emotional and feeling compound energy have been directing human beings in this world, regarding the manifestation of relationships.

Let's look at the definition of thinking:
The definition of thinking is when you, as who you are, allow yourself to be consumed and directed by thoughts that are charged with emotional and feeling compound energy to which you react to within yourself. When you for instance delve in memories and past experiences, utilizing thoughts to recall events, and when you think about them, you experience emotions and feelings which churn in your solar plexus (stomach region).
This is thinking Rick - when who you are is not present and how do you determine this: When you are 'up there' in your mind thinking thoughts to which you react or experience emotions and feelings, then the question should be asked Rick: “Where are YOU?” / “Where am I?” Because you are most definitely not 'up there' in your mind, in your thoughts, while you are thinking and experiencing emotional and feeling energy within you. You are not that, you are not the entire mind thought consciousness system that have been infused within you - who you are is present with every breath, in the silence that is you where you hear but the breath you take, seeing only all that surrounds you no mater where you are: I remain.
For instance when you are a father that works for a living having to provide for his family, you as the father start your morning, the moment you wake up, filled with anxiety, stress and concern as your mind is filled with thoughts of what is necessary to be done at the office, what must be ready, deadlines to catch up to etc. As you get dressed your mind runs rampant of what must get done at the office, the children that must be dropped at school in time and this continue all though the morning as you get ready for work and have breakfast with the family. This is the moment in the morning where you start charging your entire consciousness mind thought system within you with stress, anxiety, anxiousness, fear, worry and concern etc. which is charged by thoughts - using it to motivate you to be able to get through the day and you remain in these reactive emotional and feeling experiences within you right through the entire day at the office. In constant emotional and feeling reactive energetic experiences within you which you charged and ignited before you went to work...
You return home after a very long grueling day at work, tired and weak because all the emotional compound energy you have charged within you in the morning before you went to work have literally sucked every last drop of strength and life essence within you during the day as you constantly used up the emotional compound energy within you, which was charged by thoughts to get you through the day. This is also the reason why human beings come home 'tired' because they have 'depleted' and 'weakened' their physical bodies and used the emotionally charged compound energy within them to carry them through the day - in constant emotionally charged turmoil. When they come home, they for a moment let go of the emotionally charged compound energy which they have used to motivate them to get through the day at the office - then realise how 'tired' they are when they get home and then rest. Rest to have the ability to once again recharge their entire mind thought consciousness system within them, so that the next morning their minds and thoughts may run rampant and charge yet again themselves with emotional compound energy to have the ability to get through the day at the office. The exact same cycle repeating itself day in and day out - this is what manifests ageing as well and also manifests the experience of illness. The constant day in and day out charging of emotional and feeling compound energy through thoughts, literally suck out the strength and pure life essence within you, leaving you 'tired' and 'depleted' and 'weak' at the end of the day - for which you must rest to recharge your entire mind thought consciousness system for the next day. And so you remain the same, and do the same, charging emotional and feeling compound energy within you through the act of thinking until you die.

My question to you, Rick, as this father figure, would once again, yet again be: WHERE ARE YOU? Constantly continuously being driven by emotions and feelings, from dawn 'till dusk, as thoughts run rampant in your mind to get done on time what is necessary to be done - in constant continuous emotional and feeling turmoil.
Look at the situation as the reason why I ask the question of where you are?: You as the father is at home, getting dressed and eating breakfast, your body might be there at home as you prepare for work and eat breakfast, but your mind is at the office, at work, as you think and charge your physical body with emotional and feeling compound energy to be able to get through and handle the day. Who you are is not present at all, because you are in your mind with your thoughts and emotional and feeling compound energy at the office, at work. Then you get to work and you are in your mind still, thinking about all that is necessary to be done at work, you, in your mind you are split into many forms and ways as you have to get done what is necessary to be done at work - still charging and discharging emotional and feeling compound energy within you, returning home 'tired', 'depleted' and 'weak'.
In the morning when you as the father get dressed and eat breakfast, it is indeed not necessary to be concerned or worry about work, having your mind run rampant with thoughts while you charge your physical systems with emotional and feeling compound energy. Why? Because you're not at work Rick! You are not at the actual physical manifestation of the office in this world Rick! You are at home - why are you as the father allowing your thoughts to go THERE to the office and concern and worry yourself with work when you are at home, getting dressed and having breakfast?! As far as I know you are not able to actually physically be at two places at once in this world, so, it will most definitely make no difference if you're at home and your thoughts is at work in the office - clearly you are not present because you're in your mind with the thoughts at work compounding emotional and feeling energy within you. Why think or concern or worry yourself about work, 'lost' up there in your mind somewhere, when you're not even there, at work, when you're actually at home? And I have said before that you are not your thoughts, you are not the emotional and feeling compound energy you experience within yourself. So - what is it that is thinking? Is it really you, or the power you are giving to the entire mind thought consciousness system within you: Which is not allowing you to remain present as who you are, because you are allowing yourself to be preoccupied with thoughts and emotional and feeling energies compounding within you as you continue to think, diverting your attention from presence that is you.
You must be PRESENT at home as you prepare for work while getting dressed and having breakfast, this is all that must exist within you and in your surroundings, YOU being PRESENT at home. You most definitely do not require the entire consciousness mind thought system within you to be able to function, here, have a look: You wake up, fresh as you stretch yourself in bed, experiencing the warmth of the blankets and your skin touching the texture of the linen under which you sleep. Your head resting on the soft comfortable pillow while looking out of the window the sun shining brightly, your mind silent, who you are remaining present as you walk to the bathroom your feet experiencing the texture of the soft carpet. You turn on the shower, feeling the water run down your body as you experience the sponge's texture on your skin, the aroma of the soaps filling the bathroom. Then brush your teeth as you experience the texture of the toothbrush on your teeth, hearing the sounds of the tap running and the sound of the brush strokes. Remaining present as you get dressed, focusing on what you see before you as you put on your pants, observe your fingers button up your shirt, watch your fingers move as you tie your shoelaces carefully and precisely, walking to the kitchen step by step as your arms move along your side and make a swishing sound as the material of your clothes rub against each other and you sit on the comfortable chair at the breakfast table. Greeting the rest of the family, your children, and your focus on them as you communicate with them. You eat your breakfast, savouring the tastes of the freshly prepared eggs, toast and bacon, enjoying each and every single succulent bite - all that exist in this moment is you, in the kitchen, on the breakfast table along with the rest of the family, eating a delicious breakfast as you take juicy bites and chew on the succulent tastes of the breakfast before you. All that exist Rick is you, present, in your surroundings at home, peaceful and silent - your mind racing nowhere.
You arrive at work, you are at work, remaining present with yourself as the silence within you, greeting your colleagues as they pass by until you reach your desk where you open your dairy of what is necessary to be done for the day, placed in exact point form from what is most 'important' to get done first, to least 'important' and you continue through the day, remaining present as you are in the office, doing what is necessary to be done according to what you have placed before you in your dairy on your desk to get done. You remain constant within you, your energy not fluctuating at all - constantly present in every moment with every breath as you go about your day. You direct situations and colleagues as they present themselves to you in every moment, as they come to you with questions or queries or tasks - you do and handle and deal with what is presented before you in every moment during the day - still remaining present no matter where you are or what you do or with who you are. Then you sit down at your desk and prepare for the following day as you place in entries of what is required to be done the following day. The moment you walk out of the office, it is done, your mind does not find it necessary to go back there any longer - because you are no longer in the office Rick. Then you return home. At home you are once again only home, you are within the surroundings of your own home - your mind not necessary to run rampant in any other direction or go elsewhere, but remaining present with yourself because where are you Rick?: You are at home, and nowhere else. Communicating with your family, doing whatever it is that you would like to do, whether it is watching television, spending time with the family or reading a book. Then you climb into bed, breathing slowly and deeply as you do not sleep because your body is experiencing 'weakness' and 'depletion' and absolute 'exhaustion' but sleeping to merely rest, to close your eyes - waking up the next morning experiencing the constancy and presence with yourself and experience the day as who you are in every moment with every breath. No mind, no thoughts, no emotional and feeling energetic charges being constantly consistently churned within you - because it is not who you are. Have a look at what I have explained - here is no mind, no thoughts, no emotional and feeling compound energy controlling, directing or consuming you. Who you really are as presence and awareness exists, directing yourself, living and expressing yourself as you remain present throughout the day - not feeding or giving your power away to any mind consciousness system within you: It's only function to not have you as who you really are be present and aware, expressing and living completely as who you are in every moment. There is a massively huge difference between the two experiences I have shared with you Rick, wouldn't you say?

Rick - you do not need or require your mind in this world - who you are, is infinitely here with every breath, constant. Who you are does not experience energy fluctuations of 'depletion', 'weakness' and 'exhaustion' at the end of the day - no - you remain constant within you. Such experience of physical 'depletion', 'weakness' and 'exhaustion' only exist when you allow yourself to participate in thoughts, feelings and emotions which continuously generate in your physical body and suck up the pure life essence strength within you: The workings of consciousness systems.
Have a look what I have explained as presence: Your awareness of yourself in every moment as you experience yourself during the day in which no matter where you are, with whom you are or what you do - it does not influence or direct or change who you are within yourself in every moment with every breath. If you're at home, you're completely present at home, if you're at work you're completely present at work, if you're in your car, you're completely in your car - your mind nowhere else, but you remaining present with every breath - that's it! Your mind going nowhere, all that remains in every moment is yourself, the presence that is you, within your surroundings and directing and speaking when necessary or as it's presented to you in every moment.
Rick - are you aware and present as you eat your food, as you get dressed and tie your shoes, while you walk, while you go shopping, while you comb/gel your hair etc. - or is your mind and thoughts racing elsewhere, continuously compounding emotional and feeling energy, not present as who you are at all. It's all about where YOU are Rick, because if you're at home for instance and you indulge in the sly and manipulative curiosity of thoughts in your mind, as you are 'lost' somewhere 'up there' in your thoughts in your mind - YOU are not present, but powering the entire consciousness mind thought system within you.
In every moment, it's all about the question: Where am I? If you find yourself going somewhere else 'up there' in your mind, in the thoughts - then 'return' to presence, I am present. Focus on what is before you within your surroundings, where you are present. A simple example would be to start focusing on when you for instance make coffee (I thoroughly enjoy coffee, I drink quite a lot! Therefore I'll use this as an example). You take the cup from the cupboard and you focus on your hand touching and taking the cup: All that exist in this moment is you taking the coffee cup out of the cupboard. Then you take the spoon: All that exist in this moment is you taking the spoon out of the cutlery drawer. Then you take a spoon full of coffee and a spoon full of sugar: All that exist in this moment is you placing sugar and coffee into the coffee cup. Then you take the milk and pour in the milk and boiling water: All that exist is you experiencing yourself as the coffee, milk, sugar and boiling water mixing together in the coffee cup. Then you drink the coffee that is one with you - you enjoying one of the manifested pleasures in this world that is a delicious warm cup of coffee: Drinking yourself so to speak - you being one with all that is manifested in this world. You have prepared a delicious warm cup of coffee that is you, and all that exists in the moments of preparing the delicious warm cup of coffee is you, yourself, present and aware. Your mind not running rampant anywhere else, because YOU are PRESENT preparing a cup of coffee as one with you to enjoy the pleasures thereof. Are you present and aware when making coffee for instance Rick? Have a look and observe yourself during the day: Where are YOU in every PRESENT moment?

You will realise Rick that you do indeed not require your thoughts, this entire consciousness mind thought system within you. Here are a few pointers, observations if you will:
1. Become aware of yourself as the presence that is you in every moment. By applying presence of self in every moment, for instance as I have given you as per example when making coffee. When it is only YOU that exist in that moment in the kitchen, in your surroundings, while making coffee - ensuring that your mind/thoughts don't go on Gulliver's travels, sending you on a trip inside your mind as you follow the sly and manipulative curiosity of the thoughts in your mind, preoccupying you somewhere 'up there'. The reason I refer to thoughts as the 'sly, manipulative curiosity' of them, is because the thoughts will seem interesting, will seem valid, will seem worth following, yet they always end up at the exact same place: Leaving you in some form of emotional or feeling turmoil, one thought leading to another and so you continue in the journey of the mind to: Nowhere - you as who you are, 'lost' for a moment and not present or aware.
2. Discontinue and stop, eradicate and eliminate the thoughts within you: Especially thoughts that you react to with emotions or feelings which you must specifically forgive. Every detail of every thought, every emotional and feeling attachment to the thought must be forgiven to release yourself from the control or enslavement to the thought that directs you in this world instead of who you are directing yourself completely as presence and awareness.
3. The reason for forgiveness, of thoughts and the emotional and feeling compound energy that surrounds it, is for the following simple reasons: (1) Thoughts, including the compound emotional and feeling energy that surrounds it have been allowed by yourself to direct and control and enslave you. Thoughts, feelings and emotions have 'designed' you, who you are, how you experience yourself and how you present yourself to others in this world, who will be your mates, what relationships you will have with woman etc. Everything, your entire world, your experience within it and who you are and will become dependent on a mind consciousness system within you: Generated by thoughts, feelings and emotions. (2) Forgiving thoughts, each and every single detail of thoughts releases you from the mind consciousness system within you, so you are no longer dependent on this to define who you are, to 'tell' you what to do, how to act, how to behave, how to be etc. - but give yourself the opportunity to discover who you are within this world without the mind consciousness system directing you and controlling you - but you as presence and awareness living and expressing who you are. (3) Forgiving thoughts also releases you from the emotional and feeling compound energetic value and attachment you have placed within it - to no longer be a slave Rick, to no longer be a slave to a system within you. It is so limited - just observe the 'world' in your mind, to where your thoughts go and the emotional and feeling compound energy attached to it: It's the same shit over and over and over again - leading always to nowhere. There exist no expansion of self within the mind, only continuous monotonous cycles, the mind as thoughts feelings and emotions trying to keep the many other consciousness systems within you 'alive' as you remain a slave in society.
4. The first step is to 'release' yourself from the emotional and feeling attachments to thoughts to which you react within you. Every time you react with emotion or feeling within you, you charge the entire mind consciousness system within you and it imbeds itself and enslaves you even further - pushing who you really are way back, submerged in darkness, dormant as you start defining who you are according to the entire mind consciousness system within you - remaining a slave to the system within you until the day you die. With forgiveness, applying forgiveness in every moment a thought arise to which you react, there will come a moment where the thoughts in your mind will start moving so slowly, you will be aware of each and every single one of them. Where the thoughts will just kind of float in your mind, you will have no reaction to the thoughts floating in your mind whatsoever - then you just 'DELETE' them - remove them from within your mind because they serve no purpose whatsoever. The complete silence of self, where only I remain as presence and awareness, will come like the thief in the night, when you look back and you won't be able to pinpoint the exact moment when your mind went completely silent.
5. The process of 'silencing the mind' when you completely stand as presence and awareness in/with every breath is a gradual process Rick, a process which requires the application of forgiveness. You will be 'more' 'alive' and expressive and directive than you have ever been, seeing a world unfold right in front of your very eyes, unimaginable, a world that is you to which you have been completely and totally blinded because you have allowed yourself to be 'missing' and 'lost' way 'up there somewhere' in your mind, blinding you from realizing, seeing, living and expressing who you really are within and as silence, presence and awareness: The purity as who you are in every moment with every breath.
6. Rick, you will change, this is certain, your world will change, the relationships you currently have will change - everything that is of you will change dramatically because everything of you have been defined of consciousness and not as who you really are. Also would be important to look at what you might fear losing in your world, within yourself, which you deem valuable and use to define who you are which also is allowing you to remain enslaved and controlled by your mind consciousness system within you. The mind consciousness system uses fear of loss, no matter in what form or expression to have you remain controlled and enslaved by its existence. Change occurs gradually, in some circumstances and events you might actually notice the change as you apply the process of forgiveness, the process of yourself, yet in other circumstances and events you won't, in which people in your world will probably point out to you that you have changed. They will because they're still lost in their self contained and contaminated limited consciousness reality - where you have become more noticeably expansive and different. Dare to be different Rick.
7. The forgiveness of thoughts, emotions and feelings within you is a step where you start taking your power and the directive ability and responsibility of yourself Rick. Where you say: 'Till here no further, I no longer accept and allow myself to be controlled and directed by thoughts, feelings and emotions. I no longer accept and allow myself to be a slave to a consciousness system within me. No, I stop! It's all about who you are Rick, in every moment's experience of yourself on earth: Are you going to continue being a slave to a system or are you going to take your power, take responsibility for yourself and for the first time in your life, birth yourself as who you really are: Something unimaginable, never-before-experienced by yourself because all that you have ever known is what you are as consciousness.

The forgiveness process regarding thoughts, feelings and emotions is to release the enslavement and control of the entire mind consciousness system within you, as I have explained in the above points. You will realize that who you really are remain Rick, as presence and awareness and this includes ALL of you. Meaning that everything and all of who you are will remain here as you, as presence, as awareness - in the silence that is you.
The Kingdom of heaven and earth exist within in you Rick, as you, as one with who you are - you don't need the mind, the thoughts and feelings and emotions. In terms of letting the mind, thoughts feelings and emotions go, is the moment you will realize yourself and speak the words: O' my God - I am here, I've always been here!
In terms of one star in the vastness of existence, that star would be the limited environment reality of the mind consciousness system which you use to define what you are, and the vastness of existence is who you really are as presence, as awareness, as the silence that is you. Look at the universe Rick, above, the stars and the moon (I'm typing in the evening, so that's why I'll use this as an example). The Universe exists in silence, yet their expressions remain, all the information of the entire universe remains as a manifested expression of what they are. No different to what you will experience Rick, instead of you being only a star in the vastness of the universe, you will experience yourself as one with the universe, as the universe in totality - within the silence that remain, you as who you are remain, along with all that you are.
The only difference is Rick, in terms of 'silencing the mind' and stopping the act of thinking - is that you are no longer controlled, limited, defined or enslaved by anything or anyone, unchangeable, untouchable, unwavering - remaining constant as presence as awareness, no matter what you do, where you are and with who you are. You as who you really are remain the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow and remain constant, yesterday, today and tomorrow. Then you actually live, express and apply who you really are completely as one with all of existence, where you become the living word, as the living word, the words you speak are who you are, are what you express, are what you live and are what you apply in every moment. A different world Rick, a different you!

In terms of the beings in your world, yes, you will know their names, yet no pictures of them will exist within you, no emotional or feeling attachments will exist within you of them - you will be 'free' - no longer of this world, yet you will remain in this world. No longer a slave to them, a slave to yourself because then you are of this world, yet when you stand in this world but not of this world as all as one, you will see yourself as equal and one with all, having the ability and power to direct yourself and your world as what you will allow and accept and what you will not allow and accept. If you're not standing here Rick, you are still a slave of this world, being controlled and directed by mind consciousness systems as other human beings in your world, including yourself as a mind consciousness system defined. Your relationship will most definitely change with them, it's certain because if you don't accept and allow mind consciousness bullshit within you, then surely you won't fucking accept or allow it within anyone else in your world - so that nothing and no-one stand in your way that is of mind consciousness systems to try and influence your unconditional self expression as the living word, as presence, as awareness. Who you are in their presence as a mind consciousness system will most definitely change - all your relationships in your world will change because who you are will no longer be mind consciousness systems defined.

What I have explained thus far is to define the act of thinking. Thinking, thoughts exist to preoccupy you as who you really are, creating the lie, the false belief that you are not able to exist or function in this world at all without thinking thoughts and experiencing emotions and feelings within you which is most certainly and definitely not true at all! Understand when I say that ALL and everything of you as whom you are remains Rick, yet, you are no longer controlled, defined or enslaved by anything any longer - you are not separated from yourself in any form or expression in existence.
Having a look at recalling memories or remembering experiences in the past - these remain within you Rick, as one with you. Where everything you have ever experienced exist as one with you within you in this life, even before this life, because it is you, it's 'part of you' - nothing is separate from who you are Rick, not even memories or past experiences. You are not able to resist or deny them - they exist within you as one with you - you must just not be controlled or defined by them and react to them with emotions and feelings.
The difference here, as you stand within the silence that is you, present and aware, is that you are no longer controlled by past experiences or memories which make you react in emotion or feeling, or which defines who you are. Where previously you would hold onto memories or past experiences, continuously recalling them and charging your physical system with emotions and feelings: indicating that who you are is controlled by the past, enslaved by the past and who you really are is not present at all. You don't have to continuously check or wonder or be concerned about the past, present or future manifesting as thoughts, emotions and feelings separate from yourself because everything is present as you as awareness. You are the past, present and future as presence as awareness with every breath - where everything yet nothing exist within you: Everything as one as one with who you are, nothing because you remain silent, peace of mind, peace of self and constant. Understand that this process unfolds a whole, entirely different new world for yourself Rick - the past, present and future remaining present as who you are in every moment, who you are is here as presence Rick, thus all and everything of who you are is here as presence. The presence of God as one with who you are - where all exist within you as you as one with who you are - no separation.
If you allow yourself to go into your mind, your thoughts, looking for something to recall as a past experience or memory, you are making a statement of separation, you as who you are is then not present, is not here completely, because you're somewhere 'up there' in your mind and in your thoughts, compounding emotions and feelings: For what? What purpose do your thoughts serve Rick, but to charge your physical systems with emotions and feelings, which define the limited nature of who you are, continuously taking you back and forth into the exact same cycles in your mind, leaving you experiencing yourself worthless and inferior and troubled, more confused than you were before you allowed yourself to 'follow' your thoughts to the road to nowhere in the emptiness worthless existence of your mind. Not allowing yourself to actually live, to actually express and to actually apply yourself as who you are, because you are 'lost' in the maze of the mind, which seems 'amazing' because of the nature of who you have accepted yourself to be. (Have a look: You accepted yourself to be less than the mind, your thoughts, feelings and emotions - losing yourself in the maze of the mind because it presents itself as apparently being amazing, revealing to you your accepted inferiority complex to it.) You having the exact same experiences in your world over which your thoughts, feelings and emotions have control - is this really all there is for all human beings in this world. NO! Most certainly not, but you're going to have to take that plunge and make the effort Rick, no-one else is able to do this for you dear sir, you're going to have to take responsibility for yourself, direct yourself and take your own power. Whether you do it here on earth or in the dimensions when you 'die' you're going to have to face yourself inevitably Rick, so why not start in this present moment, you have all the tools and you have all the support you require.

In terms of learning is this world, that's an entire book by itself. Schools at the moment are supporting the limited nature of mind consciousness systems in human beings in this world, where children are obligated to conform to the 'accepted' norm of behavioral expression and 'life teachings' according to consciousness systems' rules and regulations. No child that is trapped in the school system is 'free' to unconditionally express themselves - there are already children in primary schools selling drugs, using drugs, from the age of seven upwards. Clearly, 'there must be something wrong here'! Schools suppress children's unconditional pure life essence expressions as who they really are as they are forced to learn useless information and knowledge, becoming information and knowledge robots - only to learn and remember knowledge and information given to them to stuff into their minds, where instead of becoming the unconditional self expression of the living word as one with who they are - they become robots that must remember all the forced stuffed information and knowledge and put it down on paper in tests and exams. What is examined and tested here in schools and universities are the human beings' mind consciousness development processing skills. This is what the schooling/learning system support in this world.
You do not require your mind consciousness system in this world Rick, not even to learn, read or write. When learning to play the piano or play the guitar becomes an expression of yourself completely as one with you then I'd say yes, way to go - yet, you don't need your thoughts, feelings and emotions to learn how to play the piano or play the guitar. It's not your mind you use then, it's completely a total expression of who you are...it's fascinating. Where thoughts do come in, however, is where you become frustrated with yourself, react in anger, have thoughts of self judgment etc. Otherwise, if you just allow yourself to teach yourself, you flow through the guitar and piano lessons as one with who you are.
Thinking, thoughts, the existence of the mind is an apparatus that indicates to you where you have separated you from yourself. Thoughts are words in actuality, are words you have defined as being separate from who you are. It is to become the living word, to live the words you speak as one with who you are. (As reference I suggest you read Osho's piece on: 'I am the living word in every moment.) Where words become an expression/application of who you are as one with who you are in every moment. Thinking is but in indication that you are not living, you are not expressing and that you are not applying who you are - you are 'missing' yourself. This is the process, to live, apply and express the statement: I am the living word within oneness, equality and awareness as presence.

part 2...continue
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Re: Will I be a Zoobie without Thinking ?

Postby anton » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:54 pm

part 2....

In terms of reading and writing: Obviously important. But at the moment how the schooling and learning system in the world are set up: They are supporting consciousness systems within human beings and not their unconditional self expression as who they really are as the living word. Human beings don't live, express and apply words as one with who they are, making a statement of who they are as the living word in every moment, no, they are taught to stuff knowledge and information as words into their heads which they must remember and recall, and test their robotic stuffing and remembering of knowledge and information through examinations. Assisting the mind consciousness systems within human beings to intensify and solidify within them so that they're fucked for the rest of their lives.
Have a look: The art of thinking is taught in school, thinking because you have to recall and remember all the knowledge and information you have stuffed your head with, which is forced to be learned by you the inferior, by the teacher as superior giving you the demands, rules and regulations. This is not at all how it's supposed to be Rick, not at all. Children are supposed to express who they are as the living word, as one with whom they are, living, expressing and applying the words as one with who they are. No thinking involved, no emotions and feelings - just unconditional self expression. No stuffing their minds with useless knowledge and information which they must remember and recall, test and examine their mind consciousness systems processing capabilities - because they already live, express and apply words as one with who they are, as who they are. The world would be a different place Rick, instead of humanity being highly developed mind consciousness systems as information and knowledge robots which recalls and remembers information only, stuck and lost in the past or in the future, preoccupied in their mind as thoughts, feelings and emotions. We will have humanity expressing itself unconditionally as the living word, living, applying and expressing the words they speak in every moment as God, as all as one as equal, remaining present in every moment as presence, as awareness with no thoughts, feelings or emotions enslaving and controlling anyone: Where all will stand as one and equal - within and as oneness and equality, as presence, as awareness.
As you see the world before you, this is all thanks to the mind consciousness systems within human beings as the thoughts, feelings and emotions: This is what happens when we allow ourselves to give our power away to systems instead of who we really are as presence, the living word, as awareness to direct ourselves, express ourselves and live and apply who we are in every moment with every breath. Heaven on earth will exist here on earth as a manifested reflection of who we are as the living word, as presence as awareness as one with all that exists. The reflection of the world is what we have accepted ourselves to be and defined as equal to: Consciousness systems' enslavement and control.

You don't need your thoughts. You are not your thoughts.
You don't need your emotions. You are not your emotions.
You don't need your feelings. You are not your feelings, to have the ability to function or do anything in this world for that matter because who you are is here, as presence as awareness as one with all that exists: No separation. Forgive that which separates you from who you really are as thoughts that control and enslave you to which you react through emotions or feelings and use to define who you are.

When I read and when I write/type, I do the same as you. I speak the words within myself, as myself, yet I don't require my mind to do this - it is not your mind that is reading or typing or writing it is you: Because it's a form of communication. Whether I type or read or write loudly or communicate it within myself, it's the same thing. Have a look: This is an application of presence.
But when your mind / thoughts go elsewhere but remaining present with yourself in front of the computer together with the words you are typing on the computer and speaking within yourself: That's an application of thinking, the act of thinking. Where are you? As Where am I?: Only present in front of the computer, typing the words on the computer and speaking the words as yourself/myself within yourself/myself - you're actually speaking when you are typing, writing or reading. This is not using the mind Rick, this is you communicating. Thinking is when your mind takes you from presence, here, with every breath and when you follow thoughts somewhere 'up there' in your head, instead of remaining present with yourself in your surroundings: There's a difference.

Therefore when you require to look at something within yourself, either type it or write it down instead of 'trying' to figure it out in your mind with your thoughts, together with the jumble of emotions and feelings. Because when you write it down, you place it directly in front of you, in words more clearly with insight. And you're able to actually directly see what it is that you are accepting and allowing within yourself: It's fascinating the perspective you see when writing / typing something down, rather than going into the turmoil's of the mind as thoughts, feelings and emotions. In your mind in your thoughts, you will just become more lost and confused, separating yourself from you as presence as awareness. Whereas when you type/write down everything you experience rather than looking at it in your mind/thoughts together with feelings and emotions - you remain present and aware with yourself and don't separate yourself from presence and awareness as one with who you are by delving into the sly and manipulative curiosity of the mind as your thoughts: Which will mislead you, misdirect you and deceive you, where you have no directive power. Because the moment you allow yourself to think and delve into thoughts, feelings and emotions: Consciousness systems have you, you have given your power away completely and you have no power but to be a slave to where the thoughts take you and to what the thoughts tell you. Whereas when you write/type the communication with yourself, place everything within you into perspective on black and white: You have the directive power; this is you directing you as presence and as awareness. You are not lost and separate from yourself as presence as awareness, because you are not being directed and controlled by thoughts, feelings and emotions existing within you as a mind consciousness system.
Reading is the same; you are reading the words the being who wrote it has communicated. You're reading their communicative words with you and the rest of the world who read their words. Reading is a form of hearing. As you read their words on black and white, the words they have communicated through typing/writing, you are hearing their words they have communicated through reading them within yourself or aloud. But be careful, as you read/hear the words within yourself; allow the words to flow through you, within you completely. Remain present within yourself as you read/hear the words within yourself. Where are you as you read/hear the words I communicate with you Rick through typing / writing? You are present, in front of your computer. All that exist in this moment is you, the room in which your computer is placed, the computer in front of you and the words that exist and flow within and throughout you, before you in black and white. (To you it will probably be white and blue when reading on the website!) If your mind goes anywhere else Rick, that is outside this room in which you are sitting and reading/hearing the words - that is thinking, your mind wanting to preoccupy you in being elsewhere, to delve into the sly and manipulative curiosity of thoughts so who you really are is not present, not here in every moment with every breath.

This is placing thinking into perspective and who you really are in this world?

The question is always: Who am I? Where am I? Am I present and aware in every moment no matter where I am, with who I am or what I do - expressing, living and applying who I am - or am I elsewhere, in my head, in my mind as thoughts compounding emotions and feelings in the mind consciousness system within me?
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Re: Will I be a Zoobie without Thinking ?

Postby kiki » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:28 pm

Jeez Louise, I ain't readn' all that! :shock:
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Re: Will I be a Zoobie without Thinking ?

Postby Sighclone » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:56 am

I did, and then I had to take a nap :? ...but it is on point, anton...thanks...

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