snowheight wrote: but others seem to swim back with a knowledge that the path they left behind leads to the same place as the non-path in front of them.
Snow, forgive me for being a bit slow to understand this, can you expand on your meaning here? An example to illustrate would be helpful.
Sure I'll give my experience as a specific example.
I'd spent my life studying the popularizers of modern science in search of questions and answers that I'd concluded I wouldn't find in religion. I started out at first, when very young, as an atheist, but the more I learned the more open my mind became. By the time I was willing to consider the proposition that there was something beyond the material, I had concluded that it had to be something (if
there was anything) that was much more profound than a personified creator. As per my belief system (skeptical, scientific), I never spent too much time or energy outside of the notion that whatever this might be was simply beyond our current limits of knowledge, and that while it might take a very very long time for us as a species to gain that knowledge, eventually we would, if we didn't destroy ourselves first.
After a few deaths in the family and reading those two books linked to above, I finally encountered and understood the basic philosophical tenant of non-duality which puts the "Perfected Whole" outside of our ability to comprehend, understand, or express in language . Now, forever, and always. (hence the much used term here, "pointers")
It's really funny and interesting just how simple this tenant is -- you don't need to know how to add or subtract much less integrate or differentiate to understand it. It is just a logical proposition, one need not understand a single concept from the physical sciences -- although it does help to have a deeper understanding of the relative nature of this universe of form. It is funny and interesting that my culture neglects this simple truism in that, on it's face, it seems to represent a "giving-in" and presents a problem that no amount of knowledge or progress will ever surmount.
So I spent several years at somewhat of a dead-end -- if whatever That was beyond understanding couldn't be understood, what was the point in learning more? Tolle's was the voice that said "jump!", in that he let me in on the secret that although Perfection can never be understood
, it can be felt
, if you prefer). That
was the leap
, in that my mind finally had reason to not only hold in abeyance a dismissal of the supernatural, but had evidence, in the form of direct experience, on which to accept the supernatural as fact.
Here I will finally get to directly addressing your question, thank you for your patience: it seems that some that get to this point simply turn down the volume to zero. One example of this is what Jeff Foster describes in the interview that Ash linked us to -- some seekers internalize the idea that there is no me, there is no you, there is no planet Earth, and adopt this as a new belief. Whatever it is that brought them to that point then falls away into a chasm of meaninglessness.
For me, direct experience cast everything that I had learned up to that point in an entirely new light. All of a sudden, it all became VERY interesting again. Not only that, but all of these other perspectives outside of my belief system started looking interesting as well.
Rick, I'm curious, did you have a similar such leap? I infer from some of your posts that your early belief structure was Christian. Did you get to a point where you had to let something go to grasp the non-rung on the non-ladder up thrown down by Tolle or someone else? If so, did you ever have a period in time where your core beliefs were masked, and if so, what made you turn back toward them?
Stop talking. Hear every sound as background. Look straight ahead and focus. Take one deep breath. This is you. This is Now.