Weak desires can be removed by introspection and meditation, but strong, deep rooted ones must be fulfilled and their fruits, sweet or bitter, tasted.
I'm not sure why, my perspective and experiences most likely, this quote resonates for me like my Granny's 'What's for you won't go by you.' and one of the beautiful pictures in the other thread illustrated and said similar.. so it's 'familiar' in that vein, for me.
If .. if, if, if,
we can think in terms of energy in motion 'weak' desires are not hard set and intense in impulse, 'strong, deep rooted ones' have more 'momentum'.
It also takes me to the ancient Chinese notion of Earthly branch.. what we do/perceive within our experiences / opportunities, and Heavenly stem... the flow of eternal energy in motion emerging and interacting with us, that regardless of our choices will still arise and present themselves in our pathway to be experienced when / if we are open to them.
Mirth said: I have respect for Nisargadatta Maharaj and have used one of his quotes before but he smoked (and sold) Indian beedi cigarettes until he died of throat cancer.
Does anyone have a perspective on this quote in light of this that they'd like to share?
What I do notice here Mirth is word (energy) application. Notice you used 'have respect', 'have used' then as a qualifier held those two things to scrutiny (judging / valuing / resistance & possibly negating the previous) by adding the 'but....'
Where there's a but, there is usually a personal perspective of 'should' or 'should not', which indicates resistance to what is. This has nothing to do with NM and everything to do with how you are processing the information into your perspective.
At the 'weak desire' level it may be one of trying to 'marry' the man and the actions, intermingled with whatever the perspective is about the 'act' - in this case smoking etc
At the 'strong, deep rooted desire' level it may be more about ... I'll have to ruminate from my perspective freely here...
may be about - desiring 'order' in what is 'good' and what is 'bad'
may be about - desiring 'safety' in knowing from personal pointers and perspectives what is 'good' and what is 'bad' and who can be believed to be telling the truth
may be about - desiring understanding of what is hypocrisy - and in analysing that, one realises they are possibly being hyper critical about expression of hypocrisy - which all turns itself on itself as well.
In essence that journey is not about NM at all, its a personal journey of exploration.
Some may try to 'rationalise' it.. all from different perspectives, the only 'real' perspective is the one 'doing'.
When does a guru's behaviour become unacceptable and when is it alright to look upon it as a personal teaching?
What is a guru?
Is it not a perspective of one towards another? If one holds another to a 'station' the one doing the holding will decide what and when anything is acceptable - they are already making value judgements.
Personal teaching... hmm... the acceptance or not is in the eye and ear of the receiver, not the sender.
Personal teaching is self contained in interaction with what is.
So in a sense, what's for you won't go by you.
What you 'do' with it, is absolutely up to you, in aware ness of where your and others' response ability splits in form.
I say all this having no idea 'who' NM is/was... if I see an inspiring 'thing' ... 'who' it comes through is likely the least important factor.