Karma, fate, free will

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Re: Karma, fate, free will

Postby rachMiel » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:44 am

Existence is a concept. A story. As is any word or state or quality you attribute to anything.

Ultimately we know nothing, not even that we exist.

Just my take. :-)
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Re: Karma, fate, free will

Postby Webwanderer » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:51 am

karmarider wrote:Hehe, if AM-ness is a belief for you guys that's kinda cute.

Your dismissiveness is kinda cute too, especially in light of your own statement of the essence of I AM being "in my view".

I'm not suggesting that I Am is 'just' a belief. I don't know why you are trying to imply that. I would think after all that you have read in my posts you would know better. What I'm pointing to is that there is also a conceptual component to I Am that is demonstrated in the discussion of it. For most, the conceptual component of I Am must be considered before the realization of its quality as true nature becomes clear enough to transform one's perspective.

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Re: Karma, fate, free will

Postby karmarider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:02 am

Webwanderer wrote:
karmarider wrote:Hehe, if AM-ness is a belief for you guys that's kinda cute.

Your dismissiveness is kinda cute too, especially in light of your own statement of the essence of I AM being "in my view".


Yes, true, I was dismissive. Sorry about that.

I'm not suggesting that I Am is 'just' a belief.


Well, it did seem to be that in light of the statement you made that "I-AM is a belief as well." And, you're right, it didn't square with the rest that I know of you. Sounds like we agree, even if it's in a disagreeable kinda way.
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Re: Karma, fate, free will

Postby karmarider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:06 am

rachMiel wrote:Ultimately we know nothing, not even that we exist.


Seems to me that's the one, possibly the only thing, we do know.

Just my take. :-)


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Re: Karma, fate, free will

Postby Webwanderer » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:45 pm

karmarider wrote:Well, it did seem to be that in light of the statement you made that "I-AM is a belief as well." And, you're right, it didn't square with the rest that I know of you. Sounds like we agree, even if it's in a disagreeable kinda way.

As is too often the case, we sometimes grate over context. And while we bump heads occasionally, I know you to be man of integrity. For that I am appreciative.

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Re: Karma, fate, free will

Postby karmarider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:52 pm

Ah, yes, context and perspective.

Webwanderer wrote:... I know you to be man of integrity. For that I am appreciative.


Thanks! That's nice.
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Re: Karma, fate, free will

Postby rachMiel » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:48 pm

Whew ... glad we got that figured out.
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