Can we just step back and see if we're talking about the same thing in terms of 'spirituality' and in terms of 'discipline'. Then at least we'll be on the same page, maybeOf course spirituality requires discipline!
I found this interesting 'definition' 'perspective of spirituality that we might discuss.
Spirituality is a broad concept with room for many perspectives. In general, it includes a sense of connection to something bigger than ourselves, and it typically involves a search for meaning in life. As such, it is a universal human experience—something that touches us all.
I accept it's a broad concept with many perspectives. I apply genuine curiosity for, and acceptance of others' perspectives, whether or not I agree with them.Spirituality is a broad concept with room for many perspectives.
Do you agree? I realise that not everybody would (eg a person who follows a particular religious or rules based concept of it might based on reward and punishment ideology, not accept that others' perspectives of what is 'spiritual' are equally valid - in their personal principle).
hmmm, I"m not so sure that everyone who is aware of connection to something bigger than ourselves need necessarily search for meaning in life - maybe it's enough to be connected and realise that.In general, it includes a sense of connection to something bigger than ourselves, and it typically involves a search for meaning in life.
What do others think of that statement?
As I agree with the sense of connectedness I agree to a point that it's universal - depending on our awareness, capacity & willingness, and I would not limit it to the human species.
I also really like this perspective/definition -
.....Spirituality becomes a conscious state when the soul awakens to its true nature.
Discipline - hmmm stems from or is related to 'disciple' do you think?
I'm not sure, in fact I'm pretty sure that one need not be a disciple in order to be aware of connectedness to something bigger than ourselves.a person who is a pupil or an adherer to the doctrines of someone else.
But let's see where that road leads....
eeek, what does any of the above have to do with the notion of being connected to something bigger than oneself? Of all of the above, maybe the noun idea about a branch of knowledge (?)discipline
1. the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behaviour, using punishment to correct disobedience.
"a lack of proper parental and school discipline"
synonyms: control, regulation, direction, order, authority, rule, strictness, a firm hand; More
2. a branch of knowledge, typically one studied in higher education.
"sociology is a fairly new discipline"
synonyms: field (of study), branch of knowledge, course of study, subject, area; More
1.train (someone) to obey rules or a code of behaviour, using punishment to correct disobedience.
"many parents have been afraid to discipline their children"
synonyms: train, drill, teach, school, coach, educate, regiment, indoctrinate;
Let's find another one -
I think learning from experience this would be natural without the need for punishment or reward. We lean towards what serves us, and away from what doesn't.activity, exercise, or a regimen that develops or improves a skill; training:
It's key to say here, I love the notion that humans are the only species that create rules other than those in natural expression, and then punish or reward depending on adherence to them.Then the focus is on whether we are doing or being 'right' or 'wrong' rather than participating in the dance of connectedness, awarely.