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AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:26 pm
by Giulio Bevi
Hi everyone. I was wondering about after enlightment experience.
I have many passions, like playing music with a band , reading and so on.
My fear is that after the enlightment experience all theese hobbies are going to evaporate !
I love playing with my band , making concerts ,studying my instrument , i don't want to loose them . What is your idea/experience ?

Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:42 pm
by aquarius123esoteric
I believe that a great deal of nonsense is being talked in our world about enlightenment. In truth, each time we learn something new we are becoming that bit more enlightened. A light has been switched on in our consciousness and a bit more of the darkness of our ignorance has gone. That, to my mind, is all there is to it. So, if I were you I would not worry about losing any of the things you are enjoying at present. The more spiritually aware you become, the more you will be able to give of your best, maybe dedicate your playing to the love of the Highest. Through the beauty of your playing you will then be bringing a small piece of God's kingdom onto the Earth to those who are listening. How does that grab you?

With love - Aquarius

Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:52 pm
by Dcdc
Hello, my friend.

Recently I wrote something that I feel about enlightment in another topic. I'm going to put below just because I think maybe this could help; but if someone want me to delete this because I already wrote it in another topic, I apologize and do so without problem. :- )

"I don't want to be disrespectful - and I know you know that, hehehehe -, but, in order to discuss about what was said in that topic, I'm going to say what I (or my ego, hehehehe) think about it.

I think that ''enlightenment" is a word in english-language that, in our context, is used to describe an "idea" (as all the words and languages as well). Usually that word is an idea similar to a "light switch" thing, or similar to "cross some line" involving presence/non-dualism. So, it's also a form, a creation of mind, and can generates attachment.

In my (or my ego's) opinion - and with all the respect -, it is false that some day (independently if was a long progress or was an overnight thing) a person just "wokes" and, after that, that person stays in that stage without coming back. Even if the person is indeed a great master, for me, this is just another story.

I guess we can use the word enlightenment to refer to a stage where the person pass a long of his/her time in the present moment; but will never be something that occurs 100% of her/his time. It's not, in my opinion, a light switch. In fact, if I'm not wrong, some zen teacher in the past said that if someone pass more than 50% of his moments of perception in the present moment, that person is enlightenment.

Language and words are forms. So, even masters as Tolle (that I admire so much, by the way) can, sometimes, not being present. Although a lot of them can be present for long time - and that's wonderful! -, I think there is a lot of "romantic creations/interpretions" about this. Ironically we create concepts about something that shows to us the limits about concepts, hehehehe.

For me, there is no such thing as "now I crossed some line and I'm enlightenment." I think we can be enlightenment every moment if we are present, and we can't be enlightenment every moment if we are not present.

This path is wonderul, beautiful and magic by his own. We don't have to create stories about what it is. For me, we just have to drop everything (including concepts and ideas about this) and be here and now. :-)"


So, my opinion about your question is: when you are enlightment (as I said, for me, this occurs simply when you are capable to being present a lot of times and for long periods), you will not loose anything, hehehehe. It is the contrary: you will be capable to be more present in these activities, and "enjoy" them even more. Mingyur Rinpoche, in the "Joy of living", gave a example about a master that had a music player student. The master said to the student to use the instruments to being present. The student started to practice while he plays, and started to enjoy even more.

Don't worry about it. Simply drop every concept, every fear, every product of this mental illusion and be here and now.

Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:11 pm
by Webwanderer
I agree with aquarius. For most, it is a gradual process of growth as we become more appreciative and inclusive of all the experiential elements of our lives. There are sometimes larger 'aha' moments that can be life changing, but the foundation work of conscious evolution and expansion is a spiral path that we all must walk. Know the distinction of clear presence awareness and the belief structure of thought-constructed identity. Ego is built on thought. Self is known in presence awareness free of thought. Feel your essence quietly more than analyze. This is why students of consciousness meditate in some form, to connect with that thought free presence.

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Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:14 pm
by aquarius123esoteric
Dear Dcs,

Thank you for sharing your reflections on the theme of enlightenment with us here.
Much appreciated and I could not agree more.

With love - Aquarius

Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:30 pm
by PureLand
Maybe support for a footbal team is going to be weakened or stop or you'll not vote for the same politicians anymore. These things are normal and happens when the right time comes. Other than that most likely you'll enjoy your hobbies even more than before and everything will be part of the inner joy that you already have in yourself.

Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:57 pm
by Dcdc
aquarius123esoteric wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:14 pm
Dear Dcs,

Thank you for sharing your reflections on the theme of enlightenment with us here.
Much appreciated and I could not agree more.

With love - Aquarius
Thank you, my friend. And thank you to sharing your feelings and reflections about this as well. It's wonderful that we can talk about this even if we live in different places in the world, hehehehe.

Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:49 pm
by Giulio Bevi
aquarius123esoteric wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:42 pm
I believe that a great deal of nonsense is being talked in our world about enlightenment. In truth, each time we learn something new we are becoming that bit more enlightened. A light has been switched on in our consciousness and a bit more of the darkness of our ignorance has gone. That, to my mind, is all there is to it. So, if I were you I would not worry about losing any of the things you are enjoying at present. The more spiritually aware you become, the more you will be able to give of your best, maybe dedicate your playing to the love of the Highest. Through the beauty of your playing you will then be bringing a small piece of God's kingdom onto the Earth to those who are listening. How does that grab you?

With love - Aquarius

Thank you very much . This is wonderful

Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:57 pm
by aquarius123esoteric
Dcs wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:57 pm

Thank you, my friend. And thank you to sharing your feelings and reflections about this as well. It's wonderful that we can talk about this even if we live in different places in the world.
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Re: AFTER ENLIGHTMENT

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:59 pm
by aquarius123esoteric
Giulio Bevi wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:49 pm

Thank you very much . This is wonderful.
You are welcome, dear Giulio. God bless you and keep you safe, always.

With love - Aquarius

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