It's Simpler Than You Think

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by kiki » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:50 am

I was a TM practitioner as well KIki, reading Krishnamurti put paid to that. I wanted enlightenment not to feel more relaxed.
Interesting. I continued with TM precisely because of its promise of enlightenment. However, what I found was how the TM organization kept its followers on a never ending treadmill of "advanced" programs and techniques, all of which were quite expensive. The upshot of this was enlightenment was always kept at arm's length, a future achievement to strive for.

During this time I also read J. Krishnamurti, but I couldn't grasp what he was talking about even though I felt there was something important in his teaching. It wasn't until I came across Tolle that I understood just what enlightenment was, and it didn't line up with TM's version at all. But suddenly things clicked into focus because of Tolle, and the bonus of this was I also understood perfectly what Krishnamurti and other teachers were saying, especially Ramana Maharshi and OSHO (known in those days as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh).
"Miss Kelly, perhaps you'd like this flower. I seem to have misplaced my buttonhole ... Miss Kelly, you know, when you wear my flower you make it look beautiful." Elwood P. Dowd
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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by CaiHong » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:53 am

I remember the "orange people ", in the 70s, quite radical and out there, I liked them but never joined, wasn't much of a joiner of anything.

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by aquarius123esoteric » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:23 pm

kiki wrote:
I was a TM practitioner as well KIki, reading Krishnamurti put paid to that. I wanted enlightenment not to feel more relaxed.
Interesting. I continued with TM precisely because of its promise of enlightenment. However, what I found was how the TM organization kept its followers on a never ending treadmill of "advanced" programs and techniques, all of which were quite expensive. The upshot of this was enlightenment was always kept at arm's length, a future achievement to strive for.

During this time I also read J. Krishnamurti, but I couldn't grasp what he was talking about even though I felt there was something important in his teaching. It wasn't until I came across Tolle that I understood just what enlightenment was, and it didn't line up with TM's version at all. But suddenly things clicked into focus because of Tolle, and the bonus of this was I also understood perfectly what Krishnamurti and other teachers were saying, especially Ramana Maharshi and OSHO (known in those days as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh).
A friend e-mailed me the following to this theme today: "It is important that we be aware that there are many souls incarnate who are misguided, through not having overcome selfish desires, into presenting themselves to us as Gurus and Masters and seek our allegiance and all that entails. Others have the spiritual knowledge but because they do not live that knowledge mislead themselves into using it for selfish purposes. Hence independent thought is very important. "By their actions you may judge them" and "Beware the priest who is also a businessman" is wise counsel to keep in mind.

There are others who, with the best of intentions, try to convince us that the texts on which they rely are the only true one. Sadly this ignorance demonstrates a lack of understanding of the Truth. Some present for our acceptance and salvation what may be likened to a beautiful bonsai - a plant whose shape is contrived, whose roots do not probe deeply and whose branches are low and do not reach into the ethers. In making any choices we should be aware that a rope incorrectly knotted is difficult to undo."

​From The Milk Is White.​

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by lovingawareness » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:47 pm

I just wanted to let you know that when I read this, something clicked for me, and I can still feel it viscerally a week later. There was a bit of confusion that I couldn't put my finger on. I'm going to try to verbalize it but don't know how successful I'll be. I woke up gradually over a period of years and became aware that there is no "me." Indeed, when I drop into the deepest level of consciousness, there is only open space, silent awareness (which is also everything/one at the same time). But some years ago, one of my teachers (Pamela Wilson) said, "That's YOU," and it had a very deep resonance. But how could it be "me" when there is no me? So this has been my confusion. And part of the consequence of that not wanting to call it "me" was that, although I "knew" it was always present (because it had to be), since I didn't believe it was "me," there was always a subtle subject-object split.

If I sort this through, I think in reading your piece, I became aware that the objective "me," the one created by thought, is different from the subjective "me," or maybe "I" is a better word, which is silent, without boundaries, without objects, and therefore infinitely large. So as it turned out, it is indeed "simpler than I thought."

Thank you!

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by aquarius123esoteric » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:35 pm

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by kiki » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:07 pm

Glad you gained some clarity from my original post; that's just what I was hoping for. None of "this" which is sought has anything to do with thought, hence, the title of the thread. The foundation of what you actually are precedes thought, and is "simplicity" itself. When all complexity drops away (thought forms/ideas/concepts/machinations of the mind), what remains is the simplicity of one's essence. That simplicity is always present, but is usually overlooked because attention is directed elsewhere, onto thoughts and ideas.
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