It's Simpler Than You Think

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by kiki » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:50 am

I was a TM practitioner as well KIki, reading Krishnamurti put paid to that. I wanted enlightenment not to feel more relaxed.
Interesting. I continued with TM precisely because of its promise of enlightenment. However, what I found was how the TM organization kept its followers on a never ending treadmill of "advanced" programs and techniques, all of which were quite expensive. The upshot of this was enlightenment was always kept at arm's length, a future achievement to strive for.

During this time I also read J. Krishnamurti, but I couldn't grasp what he was talking about even though I felt there was something important in his teaching. It wasn't until I came across Tolle that I understood just what enlightenment was, and it didn't line up with TM's version at all. But suddenly things clicked into focus because of Tolle, and the bonus of this was I also understood perfectly what Krishnamurti and other teachers were saying, especially Ramana Maharshi and OSHO (known in those days as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh).
"Miss Kelly, perhaps you'd like this flower. I seem to have misplaced my buttonhole ... Miss Kelly, you know, when you wear my flower you make it look beautiful." Elwood P. Dowd
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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by CaiHong » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:53 am

I remember the "orange people ", in the 70s, quite radical and out there, I liked them but never joined, wasn't much of a joiner of anything.

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by aquarius123esoteric » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:23 pm

kiki wrote:
I was a TM practitioner as well KIki, reading Krishnamurti put paid to that. I wanted enlightenment not to feel more relaxed.
Interesting. I continued with TM precisely because of its promise of enlightenment. However, what I found was how the TM organization kept its followers on a never ending treadmill of "advanced" programs and techniques, all of which were quite expensive. The upshot of this was enlightenment was always kept at arm's length, a future achievement to strive for.

During this time I also read J. Krishnamurti, but I couldn't grasp what he was talking about even though I felt there was something important in his teaching. It wasn't until I came across Tolle that I understood just what enlightenment was, and it didn't line up with TM's version at all. But suddenly things clicked into focus because of Tolle, and the bonus of this was I also understood perfectly what Krishnamurti and other teachers were saying, especially Ramana Maharshi and OSHO (known in those days as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh).
A friend e-mailed me the following to this theme today: "It is important that we be aware that there are many souls incarnate who are misguided, through not having overcome selfish desires, into presenting themselves to us as Gurus and Masters and seek our allegiance and all that entails. Others have the spiritual knowledge but because they do not live that knowledge mislead themselves into using it for selfish purposes. Hence independent thought is very important. "By their actions you may judge them" and "Beware the priest who is also a businessman" is wise counsel to keep in mind.

There are others who, with the best of intentions, try to convince us that the texts on which they rely are the only true one. Sadly this ignorance demonstrates a lack of understanding of the Truth. Some present for our acceptance and salvation what may be likened to a beautiful bonsai - a plant whose shape is contrived, whose roots do not probe deeply and whose branches are low and do not reach into the ethers. In making any choices we should be aware that a rope incorrectly knotted is difficult to undo."

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by lovingawareness » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:47 pm

I just wanted to let you know that when I read this, something clicked for me, and I can still feel it viscerally a week later. There was a bit of confusion that I couldn't put my finger on. I'm going to try to verbalize it but don't know how successful I'll be. I woke up gradually over a period of years and became aware that there is no "me." Indeed, when I drop into the deepest level of consciousness, there is only open space, silent awareness (which is also everything/one at the same time). But some years ago, one of my teachers (Pamela Wilson) said, "That's YOU," and it had a very deep resonance. But how could it be "me" when there is no me? So this has been my confusion. And part of the consequence of that not wanting to call it "me" was that, although I "knew" it was always present (because it had to be), since I didn't believe it was "me," there was always a subtle subject-object split.

If I sort this through, I think in reading your piece, I became aware that the objective "me," the one created by thought, is different from the subjective "me," or maybe "I" is a better word, which is silent, without boundaries, without objects, and therefore infinitely large. So as it turned out, it is indeed "simpler than I thought."

Thank you!

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by aquarius123esoteric » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:35 pm

You are welcome!

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by kiki » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:07 pm

Glad you gained some clarity from my original post; that's just what I was hoping for. None of "this" which is sought has anything to do with thought, hence, the title of the thread. The foundation of what you actually are precedes thought, and is "simplicity" itself. When all complexity drops away (thought forms/ideas/concepts/machinations of the mind), what remains is the simplicity of one's essence. That simplicity is always present, but is usually overlooked because attention is directed elsewhere, onto thoughts and ideas.
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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by Sighclone » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:38 pm

And the most primary thought is the "I" thought...the first step away from awakening.

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A person is not a thing or a process, but an opening through which the universe manifests. - Martin Heidegger
There is not past, no future; everything flows in an eternal present. - James Joyce

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by kiki » Tue May 19, 2020 7:58 pm

I am reviving this 10 year old post that's been buried deep enough that a lot of newer members probably haven't seen it. My hope is that those who haven't seen it yet will find it helpful.

I would also like to say that my early years on this forum have a lot of practical things you can do to overcome obstacles to awakening. To access anyone's post history click on their name and that will take you to their profile, and from that page you can access their post history and browse at your leisure.

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by Louis More » Wed May 20, 2020 5:13 pm

I would like to say thanks

I have been reading a lot of yours, webwanderer and sighclone older posts, and it brings a lot of clarity and peace. It really helped me to embody the present moment and understand what was this shift that I felt years ago.
I feel much presence in the words, I'm really grateful, thank you all for the awareness.

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by turiya » Wed May 20, 2020 9:27 pm

Louis More wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 5:13 pm
I would like to say thanks

I have been reading a lot of yours, webwanderer and sighclone older posts, and it brings a lot of clarity and peace. It really helped me to embody the present moment and understand what was this shift that I felt years ago.
I feel much presence in the words, I'm really grateful, thank you all for the awareness.
I second that! :D
“We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived.” - Wei Wu Wei

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by kiki » Thu May 21, 2020 2:22 am

Glad to hear it, Louis More.
"Miss Kelly, perhaps you'd like this flower. I seem to have misplaced my buttonhole ... Miss Kelly, you know, when you wear my flower you make it look beautiful." Elwood P. Dowd
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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by Sighclone » Thu May 21, 2020 6:01 pm

Thanks, Louis and turiya ...

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A person is not a thing or a process, but an opening through which the universe manifests. - Martin Heidegger
There is not past, no future; everything flows in an eternal present. - James Joyce

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by Enlightened2B » Thu May 21, 2020 7:09 pm

I've come back to this thread recently too. I've had this post saved for years now, almost forgot about it. I need these subtle pointers that are so simple that we miss them sometimes. But, it's immensely helpful for me when I get lost again. Thanks Kiki.

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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by smiileyjen101 » Fri May 22, 2020 5:57 am

A great refresher read thanks Kiki and all posters :)
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Re: It's Simpler Than You Think

Post by kiki » Fri May 22, 2020 6:18 am

I am pleased people are getting benefit from it. Thanks for the feedback.
"Miss Kelly, perhaps you'd like this flower. I seem to have misplaced my buttonhole ... Miss Kelly, you know, when you wear my flower you make it look beautiful." Elwood P. Dowd
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