How can I be free from the Collective Ego

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How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby jtightlips21 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:08 am

I still feel enslaved to the Collective Ego, and have these strong hatreds towards the Collective Ego. I feel just raw anger and hatred for the collective ego, and a strong desire to destroy it, and persecute all "Disciples" of the collective ego. Now I know that the Collective Ego is in fact more insane than the individual ego. But I feel like the Collective Ego has an unfair advantage in believing that it possesses absolute truth and goodness, and having greater power in numbers. I find what I disagree most about the collective ego is that collectives are no more than abstractions, and overexulted, and the individual is treated as nothing more than a cell of some greater organism, and therefore a commodity to sacrifice for an abstraction. IN fact, I find I really just dont like Ego in general, since I find that it can only see all things relative to power, can only see truth in the form of impersonal facts, and goodness in the form of arbitrary rules.
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Re: How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby Onceler » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:08 pm

Go deeper than the collective ego. Find out who and what you are and you will find collective awareness. It's sweet.
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Re: How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby painBody » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:12 pm

You can only be free from the collective ego if you stop taking it seriously. Think of the collective human (insane) ego as a 5 yr old child that just spits out what it knows from TV and from what it hears from others.

Laugh at everything it says/does.
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Re: How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby rachMiel » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:11 pm

Onceler wrote:Go deeper than the collective ego. Find out who and what you are and you will find collective awareness. It's sweet.

:D :D :D

painBody wrote:Think of the collective human (insane) ego as a 5 yr old child that just spits out what it knows from TV and from what it hears from others.

:shock: :cry: :lol:
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily ...
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Re: How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby Mystic » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:16 am

Ultimately, the ego does not exist. Everyone at the core is pure light and this is where we are all connected. The collective ego is the collective unconscious mind patterns.


"The moment you become aware of the ego in you, it is strictly speaking no longer the ego, but just an old, conditioned mind-pattern. Ego implies unawareness. Awareness and ego cannot coexist. The old mind-pattern or mental habit may still survive and reoccur for a while because it has the momentum of thousands of years of collective human unconsciousness behind it, but every time it is recognized, it is weakened." -- Eckhart Tolle


Nothing or "nothingness" cannot actually exist in the absolute sense because it is equated with non-existence. It can only be a relative term. Nothingness cannot be absolute. We are beings of pure light.
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Re: How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby jtightlips21 » Wed May 03, 2017 12:08 am

Onceler wrote:Go deeper than the collective ego. Find out who and what you are and you will find collective awareness. It's sweet.


I was wondering if we can too easily mistake collective ego for collective awareness. Like does collective awareness cancel out the individual awareness? Or is that all beyond labels?

But I wonder if going through the collective ego is a necessary part of the journey, or just a crutch when we come to the realization that the individual ego is unstable. For example, I dont think it is hard to convince us that no one is an island, but it can be harder to convince other collectives that they are not islands unto itself.

However, I could not help but notice that our ideas of growing up is the process of renouncing the individual ego and surrendering to the collective ego. For example, our ideas of maturity are A) Pseudo-selflessness, where one minds to everyone elses business but their own, B) Duty-centric moralism concerned about doing what one is supposed to do over what they want to, and judging others based on how well they fulfill their duties. These duties typically come from religion, culture, politics, family units, social groups, or work environment. However, I wonder if the maturity is really there, or if its a kind of superficial "maturity" that only looks mature, but a sense of dourness.
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Re: How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby Onceler » Thu May 04, 2017 2:43 am

Good questions, and I'm not sure I know the answers. I don't think in the typical non-dual terms so I have to translate. I have discovered who I am. I believe who I am is the same as who you are. At this level we are the same. Call it awareness, whatever......I call it "me". One big field of me at the core of each of us. You can see or feel it for yourself by simply going backwards into your self, asking "how does it feel to be me." This is no big deal, just me at its most reductionist level. I believe this seeing eradicates fear over time. Fear could translate into individual and collective ego, but I just call it fear. Fear sickens our minds, individually and collectively, distorting our thoughts and perceptions. Without fear we are simply natural humans with a functioning mind and natural intelligence free of distortion. Connecting these minds is me, awareness, or whatever you want to call it. We are simultaneously one and separate. Fear separates us further.

Just my take, based partially on my experience, but with a large portion of speculation. (And the work of John Sherman).
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Re: How can I be free from the Collective Ego

Postby jtightlips21 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:22 am

I dont know if others have had a similar experience, but I have noticed maybe the super-ego within is this harsh critic that is always telling me that I deserve when something bad happens to me, or if someone criticizes, wrongs or controls me is a deserved punishment. Then I noticed today I read a story about this casino lobbyist who lobbied in an adjacent state to outlaw gambling, and claiming to be concerned with the morality of the state. However I know that the law was influenced by trying to crush competition on one state, so no real moral motivation. Yet I felt this self righteous judgment about the law, despite not being self righteous at all. So I observed the thought and recognized the superego within telling me that I have a moral obligation to support the law, when another part of me sees the restriction as being unjust, and has a sleazy background.

I have noticed in myself what I hate most is when people feel the need to enforce external standards or as I called other people koolaid pushers if they try and force any form of conformity. This includes Bible thumpers quoting scriptures to justify their nagging. Or that sibling, classmate, or coworker who is saying "Mom/the teacher/the boss said ____". I think this is what the Superego represents to me as being this annoying internal voice that is always criticizing me over externally created standards. This would be similar to what is called the Authoritarian personality that unquestionably obeys anything that is perceived to be authority or power, and then is harsh, judgmental and hostile towards those who do not obey their said authority.

I recall that this gradually started when I was 19 and in Tech School when a teacher accused me of not taking my education seriously. Yet I had heard worse in the past. But I ended up hating the school when the teachers proved to be rude and highly critical. I remember also becoming more offended by rude people on the internet, and in particular a website named "Yahoo Answers". I also for the first time became offended about Fundamentalist religion, and its presumption that only people of certain beliefs can go to heaven, while the rest deserve to burn in hell.

So I have wondered if this is the development of the Superego, which I have noticed resembles this idea of maturity. I dont know if this is some psychological development where we develop this societal consciousness that creates this idea of maturity centered around taking seriously what the outside world has to say. Like I remember as a Teenager, I had no superego to even give any heed to what the external world had to say, and felt that I could just easily ignore any wrong done against me. Yet in my mid 20's I find that I have gotten more angry with the outside world, and any perceived judgment.
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