Transcendental Meditation

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Transcendental Meditation

Post by austin417 » Wed May 09, 2012 7:20 pm

Just wondering if anyone out there practices this and what exactly the technique is? I've tried to find explanations of it but they seem very strange about giving it out, seems like they want you to pay for the course and what not. I know it's some kind of mantra technique but what really distinguishes it from other meditation?

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Post by kiki » Thu May 10, 2012 12:50 am

I practiced TM for many years, and it was my first foray into a spiritual discipline. When I learned it in 1973 it cost $35, and now, from what I understand, it's $1500 (a couple of years ago it cost $2500 to learn it!) I don't think the price is justified, but the TM organization wants people to think that they offer something that nobody else can. As for me I think they are completely off base about that and are misleading the public with their claims of what it can do for you.

Yes, it's a mantra based meditation, and they claim that the mantras are meaningless sounds that are used in a certain way that only the TM organization teaches. But in fact, the mantras are bij mantras (seed mantras) based on names of Hindu dieties. That's deceptive, and a lot of people became upset when they found out they were lied to. They also told the public that everyone got a unique mantra; that was a lie as well. There are only 16 mantras, and they are given out to people based on their gender and age.

When I learned it we were told that the technique would lead to "cosmic consciousness" (enlightenment) within 7 years if faithfully practiced twice daily - another deception. Then they came out with "advanced techniques" to "speed up your evolution", and people were subtly manipulated into getting them, paying a hefty fee for each one. Then they came out with a new super-duper set of techniques called the "sidhis" that supposedly would "speed up your evolution" even faster and lead to the attainment of paranormal powers, including levitation. These techniques were very expensive and didn't lead anywhere as far I'm concerned and only served to deplete bank accounts.

In fact, Maharishi basically was using people like guinei pigs, tinkering with how to use all of these techniques, techniques which he himself didn't practice. He was once asked what meditation he practiced to become enlightened and he said "something else." HUH? As a result a lot of people kind of went bonkers because of their meditation.

However, all that being said, I will add this: The basic meditation, when used intelligently (no more than twice a day for no more than 15 to 20 minutes at a time), is actually pretty good. If you can afford it and want a basic meditation then that's just fine. But don't get drawn into the sales pitch and hype about all that other stuff. Just learn it and do it and don't get any of their other techniques or products (yes, they will try to sell you all sorts of goodies to consume to "speed up your evolution" - that's one of their pet phrases, don't fall for it). In other words, stay away from the organization; it's all hype designed to suck as much money out of you as they can.

Here's how it's done - they give you a mantra at your initiation and make sure you pronounce it correctly and then they instruct you on how to mentally repeat it. By the way, you are told to never speak it aloud or to reveal it to anyone else - they say speaking it out loud weakens its effectiveness; I suspect they don't want people to discover that other people have the same mantra. You sit down, close your eyes for about a minute, and then you begin to think the mantra as effortlessly and spontaneously as you think any other thought (this is the first key) and let it lead you inward to subtler levels of awareness, and when you discover that you are thinking other thoughts you return to thinking the mantra easily (this is the other key). As you get "deeper" the mantra may change, so let that happen - it will naturally fade in clarity. In other words, don't try to manipulate it, concentrate on it, or keep it clear in your mind; just mentally repeat it easily so that it's more like a faint idea. It's natural for thoughts to arise on their own, so when that happens don't let it upset you; instead, just return to the mantra again. After 15 or 20 minutes you stop thinking it and remain seated with eyes closed for a couple of minutes, stretch and move about on your chair if necessary, and think about other things, then open your eyes and return to other activities.

Some basic things to keep in mind: don't meditate right after eating, don't force the mantra, and don't worry about the breath becoming very subtle - at times it will seem as if you aren't breathing at all, so don't panic if that happens, and don't come out of meditation too quickly,.

Instead of paying a lot of money for a special mantra based on a Hindu deity, choose something simple for yourself with one or two syllables, something neutral would be best so that your mind doesn't get drawn into the meaning behind it. It's all about how it's repeated and how to return to it when you discover you've strayed off into other thoughts. There, I just saved you a bundle of money. Now do you see why they are so evasive in giving you more specifics about it?
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Re: Transcendental Meditation

Post by 18andlife » Fri May 11, 2012 11:20 am

If I was going to make up a mantra, I might as well use:

"nice post kiki"

"nice post kiki"

"nice post kiki"

It would work naturally because I've read the majority of your 3700 posts here and thought that same thing after almost every one of them.

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Re: Transcendental Meditation

Post by kiki » Sat May 12, 2012 2:48 am

If I was going to make up a mantra, I might as well use:

"nice post kiki"
Not melodious enough and too many syllables. Use something with a softer sound - nothing with a hard k in it. :wink:
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Re: Transcendental Meditation

Post by philipm » Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:58 am

I practiced TM and the Siddhi techniques for many years. I agree with most of what Kikki wrote about it being
overcommercialised and expensive. However I disagree with one important point. The TM siddhi techniques are very powerful. They took me beyond
the states available through the simple TM technique. The reason being that they facilitated an experience of expanded consciousness amidst activity of the body, instead of only when the body and mind are passive. The experience was much more intense than that from TM alone, and the bliss and clarity
extended for hours afterwards.

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Post by kiki » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:04 pm

phillipm, just curious, why are you on this site? What prompted you to specifically come here?
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Re: Transcendental Meditation

Post by eyogateacher » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:01 am

I am replying in this forum after a long gap .
Coming to TM , Kiki has given enough inputs and it is better people follow what he says .There are lot of people ready to pay anything for "instant enlightenment" and many new Organizations have sprung up in different form offering solutions for the same provided you are willing to shell out lot of money .
There are 2 things there :
1) Doing meditation for increasing your concentration , mental powers of focus etc like Visualising etc and these are used by people in sports , business , politics to enhance their skills and productivity .These are all mind based meditations and many times "Mantras" or "certain phrases" are used for getting the desired objective . More than calling these as meditations , it is better to call them as concentration exercises . They are effective for the concerned objective and nothing wrong in that .
2) The second is where you do not concentrate but "understand the content" of your entire mind or though process . This is a form of inquiry and this is what many non dual masters like Eckhart Tolle , J krishnamurti , Osho , Ramana Maharashi etc have talked about .In these you do not strengthen the mind but lighten the mind i.e understand your own mental conditioning ,thought process so that you do not fall in to a reactive mental trap .These sort of meditations will give you more peace and a silent mind .This forum is dedicated to these types of teachings , meditations only .
Conclusion : Nothing wrong in practicing concentration exercises for few minutes daily using a mantra , breath or any phrase to allow the mind to some rest after a hectic day of activity but one must be careful about what one's primary motive is . Is it mental peace or mental efficiency ?

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Post by EnricoGalard » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:50 pm

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Re: Transcendental Meditation

Post by C_ralu » Sat May 09, 2020 11:37 am

kiki wrote:
Thu May 10, 2012 12:50 am
I practiced TM for many years, and it was my first foray into a spiritual discipline. When I learned it in 1973 it cost $35, and now, from what I understand, it's $1500 (a couple of years ago it cost $2500 to learn it!) I don't think the price is justified, but the TM organization wants people to think that they offer something that nobody else can. As for me I think they are completely off base about that and are misleading the public with their claims of what it can do for you.

Yes, it's a mantra based meditation, and they claim that the mantras are meaningless sounds that are used in a certain way that only the TM organization teaches. But in fact, the mantras are bij mantras (seed mantras) based on names of Hindu dieties. That's deceptive, and a lot of people became upset when they found out they were lied to. They also told the public that everyone got a unique mantra; that was a lie as well. There are only 16 mantras, and they are given out to people based on their gender and age.

When I learned it we were told that the technique would lead to "cosmic consciousness" (enlightenment) within 7 years if faithfully practiced twice daily - another deception. Then they came out with "advanced techniques" to "speed up your evolution", and people were subtly manipulated into getting them, paying a hefty fee for each one. Then they came out with a new super-duper set of techniques called the "sidhis" that supposedly would "speed up your evolution" even faster and lead to the attainment of paranormal powers, including levitation. These techniques were very expensive and didn't lead anywhere as far I'm concerned and only served to deplete bank accounts.

In fact, Maharishi basically was using people like guinei pigs, tinkering with how to use all of these techniques, techniques which he himself didn't practice. He was once asked what meditation he practiced to become enlightened and he said "something else." HUH? As a result a lot of people kind of went bonkers because of their meditation.

However, all that being said, I will add this: The basic meditation, when used intelligently (no more than twice a day for no more than 15 to 20 minutes at a time), is actually pretty good. If you can afford it and want a basic meditation then that's just fine. But don't get drawn into the sales pitch and hype about all that other stuff. Just learn it and do it and don't get any of their other techniques or products (yes, they will try to sell you all sorts of goodies to consume to "speed up your evolution" - that's one of their pet phrases, don't fall for it). In other words, stay away from the organization; it's all hype designed to suck as much money out of you as they can.

Here's how it's done - they give you a mantra at your initiation and make sure you pronounce it correctly and then they instruct you on how to mentally repeat it. By the way, you are told to never speak it aloud or to reveal it to anyone else - they say speaking it out loud weakens its effectiveness; I suspect they don't want people to discover that other people have the same mantra. You sit down, close your eyes for about a minute, and then you begin to think the mantra as effortlessly and spontaneously as you think any other thought (this is the first key) and let it lead you inward to subtler levels of awareness, and when you discover that you are thinking other thoughts you return to thinking the mantra easily (this is the other key). As you get "deeper" the mantra may change, so let that happen - it will naturally fade in clarity. In other words, don't try to manipulate it, concentrate on it, or keep it clear in your mind; just mentally repeat it easily so that it's more like a faint idea. It's natural for thoughts to arise on their own, so when that happens don't let it upset you; instead, just return to the mantra again. After 15 or 20 minutes you stop thinking it and remain seated with eyes closed for a couple of minutes, stretch and move about on your chair if necessary, and think about other things, then open your eyes and return to other activities.

Some basic things to keep in mind: don't meditate right after eating, don't force the mantra, and don't worry about the breath becoming very subtle - at times it will seem as if you aren't breathing at all, so don't panic if that happens, and don't come out of meditation too quickly,.

Instead of paying a lot of money for a special mantra based on a Hindu deity, choose something simple for yourself with one or two syllables, something neutral would be best so that your mind doesn't get drawn into the meaning behind it. It's all about how it's repeated and how to return to it when you discover you've strayed off into other thoughts. There, I just saved you a bundle of money. Now do you see why they are so evasive in giving you more specifics about it?
Very nice post. Im a week and a half into meditation.
What i understand so far is that you chose a neutral mantra so your mind has no associations. Also, once you say a mantra, psychologically you act it out. Probably thats why TM group advives to not pronounce it. Also if you say it in your mind, it could mean a similar thing. Deepak Chopra was advising to just "remmember the mantra" which is a different type of thought.
There is a part missing from your explination. Deepak Chopra says, you have the thought and the mantra for a while but he says at one point they cancel each other and there iy no thought and no matra and there is space and emptiness. But if that happens after 19 min, do you only stay in emptiness for a minute? Isnt it better to do it for longer.
Another thing that i do since the mantra and the thoughts are meditation,im observing the thoughts by classifying them. That another way of detaching from thoughts .
I guess Deepak Chopra in quantum healing explains tm. He has a method called soubd healing or something and its half price. I guess is the same.i didnt do the class but the teacher wanted my date for birth and so on. Vlass 6 was about describing the different levels of transcendent....

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Post by kiki » Sun May 10, 2020 3:35 am

Welcome to the forum, C_ralu.
Very nice post. Im a week and a half into meditation.


Are you talking about TM or another mantra based technique?
What i understand so far is that you chose a neutral mantra so your mind has no associations.


Yes; the point is to minimize discursive thinking so you don't get caught up in a train of thought.
Also, once you say a mantra, psychologically you act it out. Probably thats why TM group advives to not pronounce it.
Perhaps - I've never heard the TM people mention 'acting it out', but it would make sense. They advise against saying it out loud; it's OK to repeat it mentally. What's the point of having a mantra if you aren't allowed to pronounce it? In fact, when first learning they check to make sure you are saying it correctly.
Also if you say it in your mind, it could mean a similar thing.
The purpose of the mantra is to interrupt the usual conditioning of the mind to trail off into story lines, thus keeping the mind at a more shallow level of awareness. The mantra is the vehicle to more and more subtle levels of awareness to the point where the mantra and all other thoughts completely disappear and all that remains is awareness - one is aware and totally awake, yet without thoughts arising. At this point you have 'transcended' all thinking, thus the name 'Transcendental Meditation'.

To get into more subtle levels of awareness gently return to the mantra when you find that you've been caught up in thinking. When first learning and practicing meditation people tend to bring the mantra back with too much clarity because that's what one is used to experiencing, but that keeps your meditation 'shallow'. The idea is to allow the mantra to change spontaneously, which it does when you get deeper, so efforts to keep it clear actually work against you. What's important is dropping into more and more subtle levels of awareness, but trying to 'hang on' to the mantra with clarity or repeating it over and over like a jackhammer won't yield the results it is designed to do.

Bring it to mind when you first start then allow it to change spontaneously all by itself, and return to it as easily and gently as a butterfly landing on a flower. This is something that you learn to do with greater adeptness over time. The key phrase the TM people use is to 'think it as easily as any other thought.' If you pay attention to your thoughts without trying to manipulate them they just come on their own without you making an effort to think them. It's the same with the mantra. Make no effort to think it; it's enough to realize you've strayed into thinking and that you have a mantra to return to - that is the impulse for the mantra to return at a more subtle level. This realization isn't actually a thought - it's a noticing, and that noticing is because awareness is present, and the natural function of awareness is to notice.

As this noticing becomes more and more fine-tuned you begin to notice the impulse of 'normal' thoughts forming, and that realization is enough to return to transcendence without even needing the mantra.
Deepak Chopra was advising to just "remmember the mantra" which is a different type of thought.
I feel he's sort of making the same point I just made. One 'remembers the mantra' when one realizes one has been temporarily lost in thought.
There is a part missing from your explination. Deepak Chopra says, you have the thought and the mantra for a while but he says at one point they cancel each other and there iy no thought and no matra and there is space and emptiness.
Yes, at some point both mantra and thought drop away, but it's not because one cancels the other out. I'd advise for you to let go of that idea completely because the mind will use that concept in subtle ways to create effort or expectation, and that will just keep the mind busy and create frustration in the end.
But if that happens after 19 min, do you only stay in emptiness for a minute? Isnt it better to do it for longer.
As a beginner I would recommend setting a timer for 20 minutes to help establish a firm routine and stick to it for several months. Twice daily meditation morning and evening is best if possible. And if you do drop into transcendence even for a moment you've done wonderfully. Longer periods of transcendence will happen naturally and spontaneously, so don't worry about that. Have no expectations and put no judgment on any of your meditations. Allow to happen what happens without strain or worry - it's all good.

There may be meditations that are filled with nothing but thoughts and others that are peaceful, clear and still - both have value. The thought-filled meditations happen because deeply buried things in consciousness get rooted out, and as that happens one becomes more open to deeper levels of awareness. It's like clearing out the underbrush and freeing up space. The deep, silent and clear meditations help to establish greater familiarity of your true essence. As you become more and more familiar with the clarity of awareness you begin to bring that clarity into everyday activity.
Another thing that i do since the mantra and the thoughts are meditation,im observing the thoughts by classifying them. That another way of detaching from thoughts .
Well, that is more in line with mindfulness meditation rather than mantra meditation. Classifying them is a function of the mind, a kind of effort, and the idea is to get beneath the mind and into that in which the mind arises, consciousness/awareness.
I guess Deepak Chopra in quantum healing explains tm. He has a method called soubd healing or something and its half price. I guess is the same.i didnt do the class but the teacher wanted my date for birth and so on. Vlass 6 was about describing the different levels of transcendent....
I know Chopra started with TM and then sort of branched off it with his own take on it, which probably didn't make him too popular with the TM people. It's my impression he's become another meditation based businessman, a corporate entity.
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