I can only speak to my own case and say yes, and yes.Epiphany said: I'm aware of these OBE reports, although I don't know enough to draw any lines between anecdotal and verifiable evidence. For example, how many cases where the experiencer has accurately described specific objects and/or people in the room have actually been verified by one of the medical staff? And in cases where this verification has been documented, has the staff member personally declared this verification?
In fact the interesting thing of it for me, was that it wasn't me who did make the initial, or even the later urging to explore the things that they knew, that I 'should not' have been able to know, based on their clinical and physical reporting.
For me it was no different (that's not true.. but) I was in a first person experience with awareness of surroundings and people coming into the operating theatre after I'd 'left' consciousness in/of the physical, and the perspective from my physical body. I was an independent of my body awareness, with full and richer awareness than I had in body normally, let alone in the state it was in.
I also 'returned' to the same room after everyone had left it, and taken my physical body with them. I had to go looking for it, there actually wasn't a 'homing' beacon leading me to it.
In my 'travels' it wasn't far - through a wall, across and down a hallway, out of one area over a hallway and into another section. And yes it's been verified by a third person that a second person was in the hallway as I observed while everyone else was in this other section with my body. And yes it has been verified that the people that came into the first room after my capacity to know this physically, did come into the room and were doing (and... thinking and feeling) as I was 'seeing' and 'knowing'. (not hearing per se - knowing)
And yes, and this is a 'definer' for me - the one who can answer the 'how' of this wins the prize ...
it was recorded and questioned between staff, and discussed and verified and followed up by staff and my mother at my body's side, that my first words before I could even open my eyes, and while my body was not in, and had not been in any way in a position to 'see' my son in a humidicrib, and no one had even explained it to my Mum at my body's side (she had no idea and she was right there in the room) were - please, please, do not let them turn that machine off until I can see him properly.
The 'thing' for the staff was that I was not at any stage in any position to know that he was being ventilated by a 'machine', or that if they turned it off he would die. I only knew this from the awareness that was independent of my body. It didn't matter when I was out of my body and could see him, but when I returned to awareness in my body, couldn't open my eyes, couldn't move and couldn't see him I panicked. On one level it was the full horror of the physical re-engagement, on the other level it was also a panic that I'd maybe made a mistake coming back into my body, because now I was 'trapped' in it.
There were other things as well, that were noted, that were verified. And as I said it wasn't me that didn't just accept things as they were, for me it was just a first person experience with me doing what I could with what I had. I didn't really think about how I got that (physical) information -- the important thing was what could I do with it, how could I relate to it, in it etc
It was the staff that asked me to investigate it because they knew it wasn't within medical knowledge at that time for me to have those acute awareness experiences that allowed me to have any, let alone even deeper than normal information in the state my body was in.
In honesty I had more important things to think about and worry about at the time. It was staff members in the nursery who would raise it at times, and the head of that unit who asked me some time later to please, please investigate it, for their sakes, not mine. And it cost me to do so. It cost me in terms of trying to bridge that gap in awareness and ignorance, its cost me in putting myself out there to be tested in all manner of physical, psychological, psychiatric, neurological, chemical experiments, and it's cost me in having to step out of this awareness, this 'now' into that experience in order to have others understand it, study it, test it against this theory or the next.
Just as my son was a pure C2 spinal patient and they learned a lot that enhanced their understanding of those injuries, I was like a pure OBE awareness 'study' for them, because I had no idea about any such thing at that time. I was asking them questions that they had no way of answering. I wasn't giving the answers any more than they were - this occurred, I had this awareness, here's the evidence - evidence verified.... how did that happen?
For me it just 'was', a first person experience as I'd experienced it. I and they, found no thing that contradicted or was distorted in that awareness, not one thing that I recalled that was not true, not even the innermost thoughts and feelings of those around me, not even the characteristics and energetic expressions and experiences of those around my body that I saw when I could not see. Not even those who were not in connection with my physical body, but connected with my 'bigger' awareness in their own awareness.
This is so cute, the 'monitor' is already here, and it already is 'bluetoothed or something' - it is just not confined to the body, it is the energy that powers everything - creation, growth, everything.. I call it love, but others may not understand what I mean with that. Our intuition is how we 'receive' from/ through it, our deepest most honest, most naked intuition.The monitor would likely already have to be in the body somewhere (the data from which could then be bluetoothed or something ).
But, we keep arguing with it, denying it, and distracting ourselves from it. Not even in any 'life' beyond this, even in this one.
For me it's as silly and futile as "I'll be happy when...."