Dealing with anxiety and depression

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Dealing with anxiety and depression

Postby FrankieD » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:35 am

Every time i read the book i think i understand it and feel better after reading it. I've also had few experiences after alot of depression that i was suddenly relieved of al the pain and suffering and felt really good, it never lasted longer than a few hours though. Whenever i am concious of my inner body and breathing in general live, it seems that my depression gets heavier as well as my anxiety. For example when i interact with people, i feel my body or my breathing and then i get really scared of them, doesn't matter if it is my mom or a stranger, it is such a bad feeling, it even got so bad that i was scared for my brother / mother all the time and my body is then full of negative energy and anger. Should i just forget what i read in the books and go on with my life without being aware of my thoughts/ feelings or not ? Maybe i put to much effort on it but i don't know for sure. Sorry if my english is not that good ;)
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Re: Dealing with anxiety and depression

Postby lmp » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:32 pm

Every time i read the book i think i understand it and feel better after reading it. I've also had few experiences after alot of depression that i was suddenly relieved of al the pain and suffering and felt really good, it never lasted longer than a few hours though.

There is a lot of understanding to be had, understanding something makes it simpler. Do you think reading Tolle has given you an initial understanding or a final one?

Whenever i am concious of my inner body and breathing in general live, it seems that my depression gets heavier as well as my anxiety.

Why do you think this is? Is it because you are resisting it less and also not doing the usual things that distract you?

For example when i interact with people, i feel my body or my breathing and then i get really scared of them, doesn't matter if it is my mom or a stranger, it is such a bad feeling, it even got so bad that i was scared for my brother / mother all the time and my body is then full of negative energy and anger. Should i just forget what i read in the books and go on with my life without being aware of my thoughts/ feelings or not ?

Why do you think that it was attempting to observe/feel the body that attracted you after reading the book? It could've just as easily been any philosophical question in the book that caught your eye.

Maybe i put to much effort on it but i don't know for sure.

I cannot really tell what you did and how it was for you and if there was a balance between relief and discomfort and discovery. Finding out about ourselves is an adventure not without challanges. I liked very much the statement that it can be carried out in the quiet of our own home.

Sorry if my english is not that good ;)

I didn't notice anything bad about it, your english is more than fine.
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Re: Dealing with anxiety and depression

Postby Webwanderer » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:11 pm

FrankieD, what makes you feel good? What do you enjoy? What brings you a sense of peace? What makes you optimistic? What inspires you? What excites you? What makes you enthusiastic? What do you love? What do you appreciate? What is fun for you? Consider all of these questions deeply. Find their answers and pay close attention. Therein lies your salvation.

The point of this is to let go of trying to solve problems that the focusing on them mostly serves to reinforce them. Rather begin to replace your concerns with your interests in what makes life and thinking and being feel better. There are only so many hours in a day. And in that time there is only now. The more now time you spend focusing on concerns of depression and anxiety, the more depression and anxiety will be your experience. You may not be able to 'fix' what concerns you, but you may be able to replace it.

I'm not suggesting a quick fix. I am suggesting a new direction that will, in time, walk you out of the woods of painful experience and into the light of joy and happiness. Your emotions and feelings of pain are just telling you that you are out of alignment with your true nature - which is always a nature of joy and well being. Look for what makes you feel better. Each time you recognize a better feeling you take a step closer to aligning with your true essence. The more consistent you are in such recognition and attention, the more joy and happiness will be your experience.

There is no right or wrong here, so don't waste time and opportunity beating up on yourself for feeling low. That's just more unnecessary focus on pain. You (and everyone else) have momentum on how we look at life, so current conditioning will have its way to an extent. But conditioning can be reconditioned. It's just a matter of learning how to focus attention and recognizing our attentions' effect on our actual experience. Become an expert at choosing better feeling thoughts. No judgment, just recognition and choice. Life will improve. It has to.

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Re: Dealing with anxiety and depression

Postby ashley72 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:42 pm

FrankieD wrote:Every time i read the book i think i understand it and feel better after reading it. I've also had few experiences after alot of depression that i was suddenly relieved of al the pain and suffering and felt really good, it never lasted longer than a few hours though. Whenever i am concious of my inner body and breathing in general live, it seems that my depression gets heavier as well as my anxiety. For example when i interact with people, i feel my body or my breathing and then i get really scared of them, doesn't matter if it is my mom or a stranger, it is such a bad feeling, it even got so bad that i was scared for my brother / mother all the time and my body is then full of negative energy and anger. Should i just forget what i read in the books and go on with my life without being aware of my thoughts/ feelings or not ? Maybe i put to much effort on it but i don't know for sure. Sorry if my english is not that good ;)



Frankie,

I use to suffer from chronic anxiety, panic & agoraphobia. Then one day I discovered what was causing my nervous illness.

It's very simple... you're getting tricked into treating the symptoms of nervousness as "danger". Which in turn causes more of those same nervous symptoms to occur. It's a positive feedback loop, whereby the output signal gets fed back into the input signal causing a positive gain in the overall nerve signal.

The way to recover is to stop avoiding the nervous feelings and expose yourself to the nervous symptoms or feelings, anxious & worrisome thoughts, sweating palms, trembling hands, heart palipitations, nervous twitches, tension headaches, tension in body and stop treating the nervous energy as something dangerous to avoid. You need embrace it as something harmless which it is! Nervousness is a signal of excitement & anticipation for something you find challenging that's how you need to reframe it, something which is not going to hurt you at all. If however you resist nervous energy as danger it can become unpleasant & uncomfortable.

The moment you stop treating it as danger your nervous illness will start to recover very quickly.

Right now your being tricked into feeling so scared that you can't even function normally. It feels so physically frightening nervous illness that you become more & more cautious & alienated from others.

It doesn't have to be that way. Start doing what I say & you will turn your life around very quickly.

Check out this website for what's causing your nervous illness. I discovered this website a few years back & it helped me enormously to understand all the manifestations of nervous illness.

http://www.anxietycoach.com/anxietytrick.html

The way to disarm the Anxiety Trick is to increasingly spend time with anxiety, to expose yourself to the thoughts and sensations, and allow them to subside over time. ~ Dr David Carbonell PhD



Remember anxious intrusive "thinking" is part of the nervous illness symptoms. If you treat these kinds of intrusive thoughts as danger you will also get more of these intrusive thoughts.

The key is stop treating the output cycle of nervousness as dangerous... particular the symptoms of danger itself. Whenever you treat something as danger the body responds with certain symptoms... those symptoms are not dangerous just uncomfortable. i.e intrusive thoughts are not dangerous just uncomfortable.

This illustration might help you to understand the mechanism of the nervous "cycle" caused by the anxiety trick.

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Re: Dealing with anxiety and depression

Postby ashley72 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:24 pm

Frankie,

The list of nervous symptoms is massive list see box below. These nervous symptoms are all part of the output signal of perceiving something as "Danger". If you perceive any of these symptoms themselves as "danger" they will be fed back into the input signal causing more of the same. In other words, a positive feedback loop forms and the nervous illness becomes more prevalent!!!

Therefore, any of these symptoms should be perceived as nothing more than "uncomfortable" or "unpleasant" & temporary. THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT for the nervous sufferer to understand. DO NOT TREAT NERVOUS SYMPTOMS AS DANGER!!!

ok, so anyone like me who gets any symptom at all and turns it into a huge medical problem would love to read this, I found it while searching for my own symptoms, which now mine are tight throat and feels like theres is something stuck in my throat when I swallow, clicking and feels like theres a tight band around my throat at all time for about 3 weeks now!!....thought I'd post this topic I found for everyone to read......enjoy!! It's long I know but it's a good read!

anxiety symptoms, anxiety attack symptoms: There are over 100 symptoms of anxiety.
Because each person has a unique chemical make up, the type, number, intensity, and frequency of anxiety symptoms will vary from person to person. For example, one person may have just one mild anxiety symptom, whereas another may have all anxiety symptoms and to great severity. All combinations are common.
Common anxiety symptoms include:
Body (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the body in general):

* Allergy problems, increase in allergies (number, sensitivity, reactions, lengthier reactions)
Back pain, stiffness, tension, pressure, soreness, spasms, immobility in the back or back muscles
* Blanching (looking pale, loss of color in the face or skin)
* Blushing, turning red, flushed face, flushed skin, blushing, red face or skin
* Body jolts, body zaps, electric jolt feeling in body, intense body tremor or “body shake”
* Body temperature increase or decrease, change in body temperature
* Burning skin, itchy, “crawly,” prickly or other skin sensations, skin sensitivity, numbness on the skin
* Burning skin sensation on the face, neck, ears, scalp, or shoulders
* Chest pain, chest tightness
* Choking
* Chronic Fatigue, exhaustion, super tired, worn out
* Clumsiness, feeling clumsy, co-ordination problems with the limbs or body
* Cold chills, feeling cold
* Craving sugar, sweets, chocolate, usual craving for sugar and sweets
* Difficulty speaking, moving mouth, talking, co-ordination problems with the mouth or tongue
* Dizziness, feeling lightheaded
* Dizzy, feeling dizzy
* Electric shock feeling, body zaps
* Excess of energy, you feel you can’t relax
* Falling sensation, feel like your are falling or dropping even though you aren't
* Feel like you are going to pass out or faint
* Feeling cold or chilled
* Feel wrong, different, foreign, odd, or strange
* Flu-like symptoms, general malaise, feel ill, like you are coming down with a flu
* Flushed face, red face, flushed skin
* Head Zaps
* Heart palpitations, racing heart
* Hyperactivity, excess energy, nervous energy
* Increased or decreased sex drive
* Infection - increased infections, persistent infection
* Mouth or throat clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
* Muscles that vibrate, jitter, tremor, or shake when used
* Muscle twitching
* Nausea
* Nausea vomiting
* Neck, back, shoulder pain, tightness/stiffness
* Night sweats, waking up in a sweat, profusely sweating at night
* No energy, feeling lethargic, tired
* Numbness
* Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
* Numbness and tingling, and other skin sensations on hands, feet, face, head, or any other places on the body
* Persistent muscle tension, stiffness
* Pounding heart, heart feels like it is beating too hard
* Pulsing or throbbing muscles. Pulsing or throbbing sensation.
* Rib or rib cage tightness, pressure, or feeling like a tight band around the rib cage
* Sexual Dysfunction, sexual uninterest
* Shooting pains, stabbing pains, and odd pressures in the neck, head, or face
* Shooting pains in the face
* Shooting pains in the scalp or head
* Skipped heart beats
* Sore or tight scalp or back of the neck
* Startle easily
* Sweating, uncontrollable profuse sweating
* The floor feels like it is moving either down or up for no reason
* Tightness in the ribs or rib cage area, may also feel like a tight band around the ribs or rib cage area.
* Tingling sensations, anywhere on the body, including the hands, feet, legs, arms, head, mouth, chest, groin area
* Throat or mouth clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
* TMJ
* Trembling or shaking
* Twitching
* Unsteadiness, dizziness, feeling dizzy or lightheaded
* Urgency to urinate, frequent urination, sudden urge to go to the washroom (similar to urinary tract or prostate infection symptoms)
* Warm spells
* Weak - feel weak, weakness, low energy, light, soft, like you may faint
* Weak legs, arms, or muscles
* Weight loss, weight gain

Chest (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the chest area):

* Chest pain or discomfort
* Concern about the heart
* Feel like you have to force yourself to breath
* Find it hard to breath, feeling smothered, shortness of breath
* Frequent yawning to try and catch your breath
* Heart Palpitations – beating hard or too fast, rapid heartbeat
* Heart - Irregular heart rhythms, flutters or ‘skipped’ beats, tickle in the chest that makes you cough
* Pounding heart, heart feels like it is beating too hard
* Rib or rib cage tightness, pressure, or feeling like a tight band around the rib cage

Emotions (see mood) (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with emotions, mood, and feelings)
Fears (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with fear):

* A heightened fear of what people think of you
* Afraid of being trapped in a place with no exits
* Constant feeling of being overwhelmed.
* Fear of being in public
* Fear of dying
* Fear of losing control
* Fear of impending doom
* Fear of making mistakes or making a fool of yourself to others
* Fear of passing out
* Fear that you are losing your mind
* Fears about irrational things, objects, circumstances, or situations
* Fears of going crazy, of dying, of impending doom, of normal things, unusual feelings and emotions, unusually frightening thoughts or feelings
* Heightened self awareness, or self-consciousness
* Need to find nearest washrooms before you can feel comfortable
* Need to seat near exits

Head (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the head):

* Burning, itchy, tight scalp
* Dizziness
* Dizzy
* Dizziness or light-headedness
* Frequent headaches, migraine headaches
* Feeling like there is a tight band around your head, pressure, tightness
* Head, neck or shoulder pain, tightness/stiffness
* Head zaps, head tremors
* Giddiness
* Numbness
* Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
* Shooting pains, stabbing pains, and odd pressures in the neck, head, or face
* Shooting pains in the face
* Shooting pains in the scalp or head
* When you close your eyes you feel like are beginning to, or will, float upwards
* Sore jaw that feels like a tooth ache
* TMJ (Temporo-Mandibular Joint) - clenching of the jaw or grinding of the teeth

Hearing/Ear(s) (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with hearing):

* Feel like there is something stuck in your ear, that your ear canal it plugged or blocked, that there is a pebble in your ear that you can't get out
* Low rumbling sounds
* Reduced hearing, frequent or intermittent reduced hearing or deafness in one or both ears
* Ringing in the ears, noises in the ears, noises in the head
* Pulsing in the ears, throbbing sound in the ear(s)

Mind (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the mind and thinking):

* Afraid of everything
* Altered state of reality, consciousness, or universe feeling
* Deja Vu, a feeling like you've done or experienced something before
* Depersonalization
* Derealization
* Desensitization
* Difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss
* Difficulty thinking, speaking, forming thoughts, following conversations
* Disorientation
* Fear of going crazy
* Fear of losing control
* Fear of impending doom
* Feelings of unreality
* Frequent feeling of being overwhelmed, or that there is just too much to handle or do
* Having difficulty concentrating
* Nightmares, bad dreams
* Obsession about sensations or getting better
* Repetitive thinking or incessant ‘mind chatter’
* Short-term learning impairment, have a hard time learning new information
* Short-term memory impairment, can't remember what I did a few days, hours, or moments ago
* Spaced out feelings, feeling spaced out
* "Stuck" thoughts; thoughts, mental images, concepts, songs, or melodies that "stick" in your mind and replay over and over again.
* Trapped in your mind feeling
* Underlying anxiety, apprehension, or fear
* You often feel you are carrying the world on your shoulders

Mood / Emotions (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with mood, emotions, and feelings):

* Always feeling angry and lack of patience
* Depersonalization
* Depression
* Dramatic mood swings (emotional flipping)
* Emotionally blunted, flat, or numb
* Emotional "flipping" (dramatic mood swings)
* Emotions feel wrong
* Everything is scary, frightening
* Feeling down in the dumps
* Feeling like things are unreal or dreamlike
* Frequently being on edge or 'grouchy'
* Feel like crying for no apparent reason
* Have no feelings about things you used to
* Not feeling like yourself, detached from loved ones, emotionally numb
* Underlying anxiety, apprehension, or fear
* You feel like you are under pressure all the time

Mouth/Stomach (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the mouth and stomach):

* A ‘tinny’, ‘metallic’ or ‘ammonia’, or unusual smell or taste
* Aerophagia (swallowing too much air, stomach distention, belching)
* Burning mouth, feeling like the inside of your mouth is burning, or tingling, or like pins and needles, or all of these together or at different times
* Burning tongue, feeling like your tongue is burning, or tingling, or like pins and needles, or all of these, or all of these together or at different times
* Choking
* Constant craving for sugar or sweets
* Constipation
* Diarrhea
* Difficulty swallowing
* Difficulty talking, pronouncing certain letters or sounds, mouth feels like it isn't moving right, slurred speech
* Dry mouth
* Feeling like you can’t swallow properly or that something will get caught in your throat
* Feeling like your tongue is swollen
* IBS
* Lack of appetite or taste
* Lump in the throat, tight throat, something stuck in your throat
* Mouth muscles twitching/jumping
* Mouth or throat clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
* Nausea
* Nausea vomiting
* Nausea or abdominal stress
* Numbness
* Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
* Stomach upset, gas, belching, bloating
* Teeth grinding
* The thought of eating makes you nauseous
* Tight throat, lump in throat
* Throat or mouth clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
* TMJ
* Tongue symptoms - Tingly, “stretched,” numb, frozen, itchy, “crawly,” burning, twitching, “jumpy,” aching, sore, or swollen tongue (when it isn’t).
* Urgency to urinate, frequent urination, sudden urge to go to the washroom
* Vomiting

Skin (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the skin):

* Burning skin sensations, skin sensitivity
* Numbness
* Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
* Skin problems, infections, rashes

Sleep (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with sleep):

* Difficulty falling or staying asleep
* Frequent bad, bizarre, or crazy dreams
* Hearing sounds in your head that jolt you awake
* Insomnia, or waking up ill in the middle of the night
* Jolting awake
* Waking up in a panic attack
* You feel worse in the mornings

Sight (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with sight):

* Distorted, foggy, or blurred vision
* Dry, watery or itchy eyes
* Eye tricks, seeing things our of the corner of your eye that isn’t there, stars, flashes
* Eyes sensitive to light
* Spots in the vision
* Flashing lights when eyes are closed
* Your depth perception feels wrong

Touch (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with touch):

* Burning skin sensations, skin sensitivity
* Feeling cold or chilled
* Numbness
* Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
* Pain
* Tingling, pins and needles feelings

Other anxiety symptoms are described as:
Being like a hypochondriac, muscle twinges, worry all the time, tingles, gagging, tightness in the chest, tongue twitches, shaky, breath lump, heart beat problems, head tingles, itchy tingling in arms and legs, and so many more.

In addition to these anxiety symptoms, you may also find yourself worrying compulsively about:
• Having a heart attack
• Having a serious undetected illness
• Dying prematurely
• Going insane or losing your mind
• Suddenly snapping
• Losing it
• Uncontrollably harming yourself or someone you love
• Losing control of your thoughts and actions
• Being embarrassed or making a fool out of yourself
• Losing control
• Fainting in public
• Not breathing properly
• Losing control of reality
• Choking or suffocating
• Being alone
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Re: Dealing with anxiety and depression

Postby Sean78 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:21 pm

It is right that problems get worse in these situations. I think you must find some ways to deal with your anxiety. I recommend getting the treatment with acupunctures at a reputed TCM Mississauga center.
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