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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby Webwanderer » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:03 pm

weapposedeception wrote:I hope to post back later a non-smoker. Good luck to you and the others.


And to you weapposedeception. I smoked for 7 years and quite. For me, there was a mental switch in my mind that I turned. I made the irrevokable decision that I was done with it, reinforced it with every urge to smoke and it was over. I still had the urge for over a year, but I made the belief that I was finished with it even stronger. I actually linked the belief to the urge.
That was 30 years ago.
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby Daisy » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:01 pm

Hi Sandis,

Have you quit yet??

This has been a battle for me for such a long time, also. So no wonder I still smoke-I'm at war with it! What we resist persists. I've done SO much journalling and thinking and non thinking and positive affirmations and prayers and all kinds of nonsense in the name of quitting and I'm still smoking. I did actually quit very easily with a book called 'The Easy Way to Stop Smoking' by Allen Carr, once, but I started again a few months later. Smoking is just something I do to distract myself from Now. So as long as I'm dragging the past around with me or fearing the future, I'm going to reach for something to resist what is, right now. Allen Carr's book was a fascinating read and I quit so easily but it didn't get to the core of the issue. Being Present.

I figure when I do stop, it will be a powerful practice of presence. Most of our thoughts go unnoticed. When you crave a cigarette and you have decided to stop, the argument in your head becomes pretty loud. "Go on! Have a ciggie! It will be so relaxing. No point suffering through this. Just light up!". Then the other voice jumps in, "No! I've quit! No, no, no. I won't. I can't. I'll be a failure. I want to be healthy". Then the other voive pipes up again. Arrrrgh.

So as a spiritual practice wouldn't it be a great way to come back to what is, right now? I like to think that cigarettes have been a gift to me. They make the argument in my head louder, more obvious. Which makes it easier to become aware of what's going on up there. And as someone else here said, when you're ready to quit, simply be aware of the voices. Fully feel what emotions arise and let them be, sit with them. Locate where you feel it physically, and sit with it. I spend all day running from my feelings. Endlessley doing. Afraid to be alone with myself, to hear the thoughts, feel the emotions without doing something to appease them. Hilarious really.

i wouldn't recommend gum or patches. But they may work for you. Sometimes it helps, psychologically, to pat your little patch and feel like it's helping you in some way. Smoking is totally mental. The nicotine leaves your body in about one hour. That's why you crave one approximately every hour. It's your thoughts you have to deal with (that 'we' have to deal with). I know what I have to do, or not do, but I find I'm putting it off, putting it off, putting it off. And I know it's simply because I'm afraid of what lies onthe other side. I'm just not ready to show up and face the music. And if I do, I'll probably find myself eating a pint of ben and jerry's on the hour every hour, to shut those damn thoughts up. :roll:

Good luck.

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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby goslowly » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:43 am

ah smoking...good ole' smoking. I just hit 30 days today, but I know I have further to go. For those who have never smoked, never got addicted , smoked socially ...they have no idea how difficult it is to overcome the addiction if a person, like myself, becomes fully addicted. It is a bear to quit, so I understand the post and some of the comments.

Here is what didn't work for me: Quit for health consequences present or projected, Quit for a relationship, Quit for a job , Quit for stained teeth, Quit to enjoy better workouts and feeling better....the list goes on and on and on. No one who has never been addicted can understand why these reasons aren't enough.

Here is what finally "did it": I got sick and tired of being sick and tired of having 'no choice'. In the morning I went to the garage and smoked with coffee, on my drive to work I had a 'Quick One"...at lunch, after dinner , before bed....it subconsciously became who I was without me knowing it or caring to become aware of it. There was never a choice I made, "I don't think I'll have a cig today"...no choice..it was always a reaction to the need to have one. I began the journey 30 days ago to regain my ability to 'choose'.

Here is what has helped me: Nicotine Patch and PON . Somehow and for some reason, "this time", I would allow the cravings to surface and say "Ok, here you are , lets talk"....PON taught me to allow these feelings to rise to the surface. The cravings then became and are accepted as being exactly what they are supposed to be considering the predicatament I put myslef in. Now the cravings are nothing more than a familar life situation I can witness.


Suggest: find a reason in your soul why to quit. really dig deep and find out why and if you really want to quit.....then get as much help as possible to get thru what is a nasty trip of withdrawal. Suggest the patch....pon....meditation , but first ask yourself why ?

good luck and go get your ability to "choose" back....

please post your progress, it will help me and many others
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby heidi » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:42 am

Great stuff,Goslowly. Didn't smoke for 20 years after doing it for 20, and for the past 2-3 slowly back to smoking - nothing matters, coming to terms with all external influences - nothing matters. You are so correct about the reasons to stop - don't stop, just do not do. You don't quit smoking, smoking quits you - which is about to happen with me. Picture of health. I fast in every way and enjoy all good things, love living, too. Good for you, and enjoy every good clean breath. I'm joining you shortly. Wish me luck. :)
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby heidi » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:33 pm

And I will ask here, who is that I who feels the need to be perfect? :mrgreen:
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby Slyder » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:50 pm

Eckhart said that it's hard to quit smoking, as the mind imagines the willpower needed for the days/months/years/lifetime to come!

He said if you narrow it down, you are only not smoking today. And when tomorrow comes, you are only not smoking then...
Or you are not smoking now.

Not the imagined future.

That's a relief!
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby presentlybythesea » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:57 am

Journeymates

Yes, it has to be a very important reason to quit as goslowly has said. It's particularly hard to quit when your spouse or whomever, is still smoking as was the case with me.

I tried to quit with varying success three times; twice for about six months, once for two and a half years. I'd pick an upcoming target date and cut down more and more as that date came nearer with the goal in mind to stop on that day. I felt my body would adjust to the slow diminishment of it's regular daily dose. I'd eliminate the least important smokes of the day first; like getting behind the wheel of the car and so many automatic ones like in the middle of a conversation, just light up in mid-sentence and puff away; and keep the most important like the after dinner smoke. It worked for me those three times but I kept going back.

Finally, I picked my youngest daughter's 12th birthday as my target. I did my cut-down routine toward jump-off-he-cliff-day-of-no-return. I was down to three important smokes. I smoked the last one really really fast like we used to do in the bathroom of high school between classes; the cig had about an inch of red ash on it. This left a burning, bitter taste on my tongue for me to remember. Best not to savor, I felt. Then, no more smoking.

The jumping off the cliff metaphor was good to keep in mind for me. No going back when you jump. Free fall, let what happens happen. Lots of water drinking, exercise, and letting "time" pass. I wasn't into Tolle of course way back then but I did concentrate on my breathing; visualizing my lungs maybe just starting to heal after so much abuse; accepting the anxiety of the nicotine need until it ebbed then flowed again and again. Then realizing just a tiny bit more space between tides.

Acceptance was a big part of it I think, not fighting it. Yes, one day at a time. Only this day. I found it really tiring too; took a lot out of me. I never belonged to any step program but I seem to have surrendered as I'm told is an important aspect to the programs. Not resisting, just accepting the withdrawal pangs and looking at them. Looking back now, maybe I was looking at myself then from the place I've since come to know as mySelf.

Every morning I'd awake and think of the problems I had in various areas, (didn't know they were just situations then). But I'd get comfort in the thought every morning,"I'm still not smoking". That's still a big positive amid all my "problems". As time passed I got support from another thought, "All these days of smoke deprivation will have been for nothing if I go back". No going back.

Then it began to be just a little bit easier. One breathe-easier day after another. It's going on twenty five years now. I guess my daughter's birthday had something to do with it. It's about importance you see.

I've since found I can apply this one-day-at-a-time strategy to other areas in life too.

Quitting smoking is probably the most difficult thing I've ever been through. Outside of my divorce.

Ten years.
Have a sweetheart.
Doesn't smoke.
Very, very, happy.

I wish you all a final success too.

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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby Kutso » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:16 pm

Sandis wrote:I smoke...I dont want to smoke...I still smoke...


Who is it that don't wanna smoke? Who is it that wants to keep smoking. Seems like everyone has the opinion that smoking is bad for you. Why? It's not bad. It's not good either. It just is. Smoking happens, or smoking doesn't happen. Putting a label like "smoking is bad" or "I don't want to smoke" or "I want to smoke" is just the mind telling another story.

Smoking or not smoking. It does not matter.

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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby heidi » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:16 pm

For those of you who wish to not smoke, you might try November 15, next Thursday, as it's the big smokeout where you may enjoy being among thousands of other spirits who have decided to have a smoke free day - or in Katie's terms, let smoking quit you for a day. Even if you are not identified with being a "joiner" (rebel ID here) you may feel the ripples of the power of others that might just assist to escort you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Smokeout
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby blueviceroy » Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:47 am

I quit smoking because it made feel sick and I hated supporting the tobacco cartel , weaned off with nicotine gum ,lots of water , that was about 10 years ago .

It was easy at first but the sneaky later urge was much tougher . lack of satisfaction with myself as a person was the root cause of all my addictions .

My spiritual experiences throughout my life have shown me the futility of attempting to satisfy desires of a selfish nature.
If one gives in to them and succumbs to a purely selfish urge like smoking , it is discovered that there is no satisfaction and feeding them only increases the desire.

Experiencing this in a meaningfull way would certainly help kick an addiction
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby heidi » Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:06 am

I think it all boils down to not identifying with being or not being something. I did not smoke today - no need for congratulations, I was merely Being (and actually being more present and relaxed). When those little niggling thoughts pass into my arena, I watch them pass like clouds in the sky. So, like I used to say back in those 20 years when I returned to non-smoking (just being) to others hoping for relief: If I can do it (hedonist that I love to identify with, ha ha), Anyone can!
No quest, no torment, no games, no carefully reasoned methods, no guilt, just BE!
And I must add that watching the thoughts today was a joyful thing, because when we tend to get stuck, it's because we are not being so conscious, by choice, I might add. And the space that opens up is where joy (or pain, you choose) arises. :mrgreen:
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby coriolis » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:35 pm

I was convinced that I couldn't function (or didn't want to function) without nicotine for 33 years.
Four years ago I checked out PON from the library and read through it a few times before returning it.
It drew out and seemed to confirm some very deep, unspoken truth I had (for lack of better words) "always known".
It was so radically ordinary that it briefly "knocked me out of my story" and I saw, seemingly for the first time, "what is as it is".
I bought Stillness Speaks and began to enjoy more freedom from the mindstream opened by the gaps created by not-comprehending, but seeing what was pointed at, by the "sutras' in this book.

The nicotine habit went away. In one sense it was as difficult as the mind-made me always "thought" it would be. The cravings came and sometimes that interminably long abyss of the future of quitting opened up and it was, if not scary, extremely disheartening. But that "future of quitting" and long past of addiction were nothing but stories I'd been intimately writing from memory and speculation for a very long time. In the present moment a nicotine craving is nothing but a relatively mild sensation in the mind-body that can just be watched. But if you move out of the present moment you are someone who been addicted for a long time...It helps you to relax...makes you feel normal....is just that little bit of calm help you need right now.....If I keep resisting these urges how long is it going to last...when will it go away....and on, and on, and on....carried away by the momentum of an ancient, frightened, painbody.

NOW is all that worked for my quit, and it still does because it's the only thing that can allow a painbody to be without having it be a "me".
Look deeply inside yourself and try to find yourself.
The ensuing failure is the true finding
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby Webwanderer » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:53 pm

Excellent first post coriolis. Very well written and clear on the distinction between present moment awareness and an addictive mind stream (story of me).

Oh, and welcome to the forum. :)
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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby kiki » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:40 am

Great post, coriolis. Welcome to the board.

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Re: Smoking!!!

Postby weopposedeception » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:58 am

I'm on day 4. I can see that urges to smoke are mainly transient thoughtforms.
Man takes smoke. Smoke takes smoke. Smoke takes man.
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