How long can you stay present?

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by johny » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:12 pm

Watch Kungfu Panda and you will know.
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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Ananda » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:51 am

Who is the one that can be lost in thinking?

Another thought.


You are never lost in thoughts. Thoughts never touch you.
You are always here, present. Tell me if you have ever not been here.
You are that which consitutes 'hereness' , that is your very nature.

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by HermitLoon » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:23 am

There is "Pure Awareness"(PA)

There is the possibility of the Illusion of Separation - and PA...
There is the consciousness of a Human Experience - and PA...
There is thinking and doing - and PA...
There is language and emotion and concepts and ego and sharing - and PA...
And the Grandkids shouting "PAPA!!" :D - and PA...
And the Bliss of Nature and Hugs and the Joy of Being - and PA...

There is Pure Awareness.

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Glycine » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:33 pm

Ananda wrote:Tell me if you have ever not been here.
When I'm in deep sleep I feel I'm not here... :D

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Ananda » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:35 pm

Glycine wrote:
Ananda wrote:Tell me if you have ever not been here.
When I'm in deep sleep I feel I'm not here... :D

So there's still one who feels an absence of being there :P

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Glycine » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:40 pm

Very good point, Ananda. OK, I need to increase the clarity:
When I wake up, I feel I was absent (not here)...
When I'm in deep sleep, I don't feel anything.

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Ananda » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:49 pm

Glycine wrote:Very good point, Ananda. OK, I need to increase the clarity:
When I wake up, I feel I was absent (not here)...
When I'm in deep sleep, I don't feel anything.

Blissful, isn't it, to not be aware of anything?

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Glycine » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:54 pm

Ananda wrote:Blissful, isn't it, to not be aware of anything?
:wink:
Blissful indeed! :D

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by johny » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:44 pm

Talking the talk is easy. I know who I am by personal experience. But knowing the truth doesn't change anything. At least not for me. And I am not complaining. Or maybe I am.
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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by student2u » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:16 pm

johny wrote:Talking the talk is easy. I know who I am by personal experience. But knowing the truth doesn't change anything. At least not for me. And I am not complaining. Or maybe I am.
It is true that knowing is not BEING. Knowing may not seem to change anything on the surface…

I just watched the ANE webcast re Chapter 4. ET mentioned that we may go through several stages. At the beginning of knowing, we do what we were used to do (playing roles) most of the time. Then we realize we were playing roles some time later after that role playing. This some time later shortens as we keep on realizing…

Next stage is that we realize we are playing roles during our role playing but we will probably continue on playing roles…

Then one day we may realize it before we start to play roles and that's when we may start to make conscious choices on an ongoing basis.

We are hopeful :D
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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by RCharles » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:45 am

I'm really glad you started this topic, Johny. I understand the practical nature of your question. I experience presence as you do--a few moments of presence, then distraction, then return to presence, then distraction, and so on.

Do you know about Candice O'Denver? Her theme is (paraphrasing) "Many moments of rest practiced many times." Hearing her talks and even just that slogan helped me understand that this is the way many people learn presence. It's normal.

We may have only a few seconds of Presence before we get distracted, but we just keep coming back to presence. The more we do it, the more peace becomes cumulative, and eventually presence becomes our predominant mode of awareness.

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Ananda » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:55 pm

johny wrote:Thinking mind takes over or we loose awareness whatever. I do not bother with terminology. This topic has 14 replies and 50 views and not even a single answer to the question. Whatever has happened to simplicity?.

The point is that there is no loss of awareness, if there was loss of awareness, you would not be. It is inacurrate to say that thinking ever takes over, attention can be rested on thoughts or rested on the Self, it's not very useful to say ' I was trapped in the mind' or ' identified with mind' or 'thoughts took over' because that is like perpetuating the story of a separate self.

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by johny » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:01 pm

Ok I get it now. ET has cleared this in ANE beautifully. He says that awakening is not an event but a process. And the frequency is more important than the time duration. So I started counting but stopped after a count of nine or ten. Too much work.
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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Peaceman » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:38 pm

I am not so sure johny about "frequency" being more important than "duration" . As per usual to quote :) Osho

"Again and again you come to the same point, you are back to your mind. One day, this insight dawns: that your doing is really your undoing. In that very moment is let-go.
Then all doing disappears, all effort disappears. Something descends FROM THE BEYOND. (my caps) That is liberation. And even a single moment of that glimpse IS ENOUGH. You are never the same again- you cannot be the same again. "

Five lines!!

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Re: How long can you stay present?

Post by Peaceman » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:58 pm

Or again

Buddha's Satori

For six years sitting alone
Still as a snake
In a stalk of bamboo
With no family but the ice
On the snow mountain.
One night, seeing the empty sky
Fly into pieces, he shook
The morning star awake
And kept it in his eyes.

- Muso Soseki (1275-1351)


" And kept it in his eyes" is all I want to point out....you get it, you keep it, but you dont always use it.

Thirteen lines?!! Guess I lost you johny!

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