Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

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Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by wiretime » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:04 pm

How can you practice the law of attraction and the power of now at the same time. Isn't trying to manifest something in direct opposition to the Power of Now?

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by Ananda » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:36 pm

wiretime wrote:How can you practice the law of attraction and the power of now at the same time. Isn't trying to manifest something in direct opposition to the Power of Now?
Yes.

Law of attraction is a load of balls.


Just my opinion.

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by Plorel » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:27 pm

How can you practice the law of attraction and the power of now at the same time. Isn't trying to manifest something in direct opposition to the Power of Now?
Yes.
If you want to keep up the illusion of seperation, using the LOA must be one of the most effective ways.
If you want lasting freedom and happiness, forget it.

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by RighteousLover » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:41 pm

Read this review
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2,489 of 2,707 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars The Review "They" Don't Want You To Read, March 6, 2007
By longhorn24 "longhorn24" (New York, NY) - See all my reviews
Catchy review title? Thought so. Robert Cialdini, renowned psychology researcher and author of Influence: The Power of Persuasion (perhaps the best book ever written on the subject) identifies six basic rules employed by politicians, advertisers and scam artists alike to persuade others. Each of them are employed quite adeptly by Rhonda Byrne in this book.

Cialdini's first principle is SCARCITY; people want what's expensive, exculsive, or otherwise attainable. Byrne's mastery of this principle is clearly shown by the very name of the book: The Secret. We all learned this the first week of kindergarten as we felt the jealousy of watching two classmates, hands cupped over ears, sharing a secret out of earshot.

This message is reinforced throughout the book and its advertising campaign which pitches "The Secret" (whatever it actually is) as jealousy-guarded information hoarded by the happy, wealthy and successful. Whenever someone tries convincing you of something, whether it's a way to make enormous sums of money, to lose weight, etc - be wary of when it's pitched as "the knowledge THEY don't want you to have." Think about it - everything from the "secrets that Wall Street doesn't want you to know" to "uncovered - celebrities' secrets to staying young" are phrased not simply to pique your interest but to make you jealous. Appeals to our emotion are far more powerful than appeals to reason, and Byrne demonstrates mastery of this principle throughout "The Secret."

Cialdini's second principle is LIKING. We like those who like us, and in turn, we do business with them. Positive thinking and emotional intelligence has been linked to strong interpersonal relationships, academic and professional success, and good health, but there is a fine line when positive thinking crosses over to unjustified exuberance. Instead of simply noting the substantial benefits of positive thinking (a well-accepted principle which wouldn't sell books), Byrne crosses the line so blatantly that anyone with a modicum of modesty would find it blasphemous.

AUTHORITY is another Cialdini principle, also in play in "The Secret" in quite subtle ways. Another technique which differentiates this book from just another book of positive thinking is the heavy use of quasiscientific language, which gives the impression that the "law of attraction" is (or will become) an accepted scientific principle, just like the law of gravity or the law of attraction of oppositely-charged particles in chemistry. Many people are both intimidated and confused by the authority of science, a fact exploited by manipulators ranging from Byrne to peddlers of magic weight-loss pills.

Since no respected physicist would ever publish a paper on the universality of the "law of attraction," Byrne indirectly seeks experts in other ways. She attributes the success of people ranging from Einstein to Beethoven to adherence of "The Secret," thereby manufacturing experts. After all, if Einstein and Shakespeare mastered "The Secret," who are YOU to question it?

The last two Cialdini principles are CONSISTENCY and SOCIAL PROOF. The success of this book should leave little doubt it will be followed by more (and more expensive) forms of media peddling "The Secret." The audio recordings, weekend seminars, advertising tie-ins, and other follow-up products certain to follow will exploit these two principles. Once people commit themselves to believing happiness will come from "The Secret," they will attribute future successes, whether a promotion or a great new relationship, to adherence to it. Conversely, setbacks will be even more powerfully in committing people to "The Secret," as people will attribute their failures to not living up to "The Secret" (and buying more of Byrne's books). Consistency dictates it will be less painful to buy more books and immerse one's self further into "The Secret" than to accept the whole premise is a quite ridiculous; while not as pernicious as a domineering cult, "The Secret" promises to charge you handsomely for a positive outlook on life.

Byrne's book is problematic on many levels. On it's face, it's a manipulative marketing tool meant to flatter, confuse and deceive. It's also pseudoscience at its best, the last thing we need to encourage in an increasingly technological world which requires healthy skepticism and critical thought. Most damaging, though, is how the book perverts reality by encouraging people to equate a positive outlook on life with a childish, idiotic narcissism. Ayn Rand must be rolling in her grave hearing about the modern manifestation of her objectivist movement reduced to the intellectual equivalent of canned pork.

If you're interested in "The Secret," I highly encourage you to read the book - yeah, READ the book - if for any other reason so not to be manipulated by its brilliant marketing. Read it with a critical eye, with a copy of Cialdini's book in the other hand. You may not learn the secret of happiness, but you WILL learn a lot about manipulation and influence from a master of the subject in Rhonda Byrne.

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by Chariot » Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:14 pm

I think there's a misperception that Law of Attraction is just about learning how to manifest things, and that simply isn't the case. Law of Attraction simply points out how resistance creates more resistance, and presence creates more presence. As far as being present and in the now is concerned, it's not about denying material things, it's about releasing attachment and therefore resistance. One can just as easily lose presence trying to be in the now as one can studying the Law of Attraction, but ultimately both approaches can lead to the same experience..... Presence.

I've heard Eckhart address this spiritual ego trap of claiming my teaching is better than yours. It's just more ego attaching itself to an idea or concept in order to reinforce a sense of self and separation.

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by samadhi » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:53 pm

The law of attraction is, for me, LOVE. Exuding love, circumstances and 'other' people become more benign - not always, but a lot of the time. You become happier. the obstructions to presence dissipate and one can more easily relax in the natural state.

A lot of zesty egos have latched onto the law of attraction and heralded it as a kind of lottery or, as the crass term goes, some kind of 'cosmic ordering'. Fair enough, I guess!! The problem is people thinking it is somehow a legitimate spiritual practise or a way to inner peace - having a list of wants and things to manifest and then getting the universe to fulfil those desires. It's a blinder. it's keeping a lot of people trapped in illusion and ego. But maybe it's just a step along their path to eventual awakening?

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by heidi » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:22 pm

I agree with samadhi and Chariot. Where the Power of Now and LOA meet is that it's all about allowing - not wanting, not needing, not desiring,not thinking you need to direct power to manifest - it's about allowing, not resisting, and when you are allowing, things flow and manifest joyously.
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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by wiretime » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:42 pm

Wow very good insights people. Much appreciated. I'm still learning, just a pleab

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by jackc » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:45 pm

How is Law of Attraction bunk?

I believe in self-fulfilling prophesy. I mean, I truly believe if I convince myself that I will have a horrible wreck on my way home, I will.

Law Of Attraction is about making self fulfilling prophesy work for you. It's how you talk to yourself. It's staying connected with positive energy. Positive attracts Positive. Negative attracts Negative. Energy. Vibes. You can only do one at a time. And learn yo catch yourself being negative, indulging in negative energy. Instead, flip it around...

Just like Power of Now, if you use it hoping to achieve a certain something... then you're using it wrong.

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Post by OnthePath » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:06 am

All I can say is the more I think of presence, the more present I am. The more I think positive thoughts, the more positive happen to me. The more I think negative thoughts, the more things that I resist happen to me and the happier I am when I think of money, the more money I have...

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by palp » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:38 pm

The more you think of presence, the more present you are? That sounds contradictory to me.

It seems most of the people here believe in the Law of Attraction. But how do you know it's true?

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Post by OnthePath » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:53 pm

palp wrote:The more you think of presence, the more present you are? That sounds contradictory to me.

It seems most of the people here believe in the Law of Attraction. But how do you know it's true?
Why contradictory? I'm not awakened... yet. So I'm still training my mind to focus on the present. I agree with you that Presence cannot be thought. What I meant by "I think of presence" is deciding to be present. Every time I realize that I'm not present, I decide to be present, I intend to be present and when the more I do that , my mind becomes still and presence emerges on its own. That's how the LOA works for me.
If you think all the time that you can't be present, that your mind wanders a lot and that you will never awaken and you start believing that, guess what? That what will happen.
Other people will probably tell you that the LOA doesn't work and if they think so, then it won't work for them. I was very skeptical as far as the existence of this law. I have been using it for a few months now and I can say that so far it has worked amazingly.

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Post by eagle2phoenix » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:46 pm

heidi wrote:I agree with samadhi and Chariot. Where the Power of Now and LOA meet is that it's all about allowing - not wanting, not needing, not desiring,not thinking you need to direct power to manifest - it's about allowing, not resisting, and when you are allowing, things flow and manifest joyously.
Perfectly said. For me it is changing my conditioned self (ego) to my true nature, allowing me to grow spiritually. It is about being positive than dwelling in negative thoughts. It is about making the change, energizing.
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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by nowhawk » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:15 pm

heidi wrote:it's all about allowing - not wanting, not needing, not desiring,not thinking you need to direct power to manifest - it's about allowing, not resisting, and when you are allowing, things flow and manifest joyously.
Just some reflections (and to mention I still have not "graduated" neither Tolle nor LOA universities ;))

Seeing The Secret I was a little surprised. The principle of matching vobrations between your mind or your energy field on one side, and in the real world on the other side - I seemed to relate to that.

It has reminded me the "Mirror(ing) Principle" I have heard from so many wise people (including Byron Katie, E. Tolle and others) which stipuilates that what you see in others is within you too... (hence Byron Katies turn around).
Another interpretation of this Law: If I am joyful, I see the world joyfully, etc... my inner state (vibration?) influences my perception.

It felt right in a way.

On the other side, I was quite astonished to see the examples given in the: having a huge house/residence (which to myself, at least, was of a quite bad taste ;) luxurious, but so tacky), getting 20,000 US$ in a month etc...

It seemed as if this wonderful principle, which seems, in my experience to work many times, was suddenly used to gain things, objectives, "more" - ego stuff. That is where I stopped resonating with the message in the movie.

However, I heard ET, in Danmark, talking about The LOA and The Secret, proposing not to "eat" it all, and not throwing it away. Which was interesting to contemplate.

I remember, N.D. Walsch, talking about what seems to me to be the Low Of Attraction, in Conversation With God Book 1:
He talks about the principle of Be - Do - Have.
In other words:
Be as you would if you had what you wanted,
Do as you would if you had what you wanted and lastly,
you will Have what you want.

He sais that most people start with the "Have" step and if/when they get there, they bare in the "Do" & "Be" states.
And also mentionning (if I rememver correctly) that by Starting with the "Be" step, you invite that vibration, and therefore sometines, you don't even have to "run" or struggle towards the Do and Have, because withing the Be you already find pleace and joy.

And that reminds me a lot of many sayings of Echkart Tolle.

So I relate a lot with you Heidi, about the "Allowing". Which I interpret as: Allowing for the sake of... Allowing. All the rest would be just a nice bonus (and not ego-seeked).

mmmm...
I hope I am clear.

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Re: Law of Attraction vs Power of Now

Post by ronaldlittles » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:53 pm

At the very end of "The Secret" it states "Feel Good!!!!". I like to put emphasis on "Feel.". Stillness is what being a healthy vegan feels like. Be Do Have is a good one I had not heard before.

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