Hello Andy,Sighclone wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 1:55 amNiki -
Many people who approach spiritual awakening do so out of a secret or not-so-secret desire to rid themselves of disorders of the ego (by this I mean all the material in DSM-V, and other obsessions, neuroses, syndromes, etc. that fall under the broad definition of "significantly debilitating mental problems causing suffering.") A number of posters here (and I include myself in earlier years) have waved the flag of awakening / enlightenment to end all of that..."just skip all the traditional talk-therapy and wake up."
I'm much less happy with that as a general recommendation these days. Both Adyashanti and Rupert Spira have sent students to more traditional therapists (especially those with a nondual bent like John Prendergast or John Welwood) for work on their psychological challenges before they will counsel them spiritually. The subconscious does exist and is part of the ego, in fact it can launch suble salvos against awakening as the seeking proceeds.
I understand that your response was intended for someone else, but you brought up something relevant to my own experience - therapy. Hope you don't mind me being a third wheel here. It is interesting that you recommend (as do some spiritual teachers that you mentioned) conventional psychotherapy in addition to spiritual counseling/guidance.
I have seen numerous therapists over the years, before delving into anything "spiritual". None of them taught me anything valuable or eye opening. I always felt like the stuff they were suggesting was coming out of some script and was too contrived and cookie cutter to be effective for me. They would throw out the kinds of "wisdom" cliches you'd hear in some C-grade high school comedic drama. Today, I can see that they were just scratching the surface of things, and didn't go deep enough to catalyze a realization within me. Long story short, therapy for me = nothing more than expensive frustration.
By contrast, when I read the first few pages of Power of Now, a light bulb instantaneously went off in my head. It went deep enough in me to cause a realization. It was direct and unambiguous, unlike anything the therapists had told me. Knowing what I know now, I wish that I had sought spiritual counseling earlier in my life. I wish it would become more mainstream.
Also, I would think that combining conventional therapy with spiritual counseling would confuse the heck out of a patient/disciple, like a language student trying to learn both Japanese and German at the same time. I'm curious as to why some feel that this would be effective.