'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby dijmart » Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:38 am

So, I have something else to add, as I see it, when in pain and suffering some need to hang out in transcendent land for awhile, removing themselves somewhat from the nitty gritty of life by dismissing it's reality, before taking the second part of the spiritual journey which would be the return movement back to there humanness and embracing form and formless as one in the same. It doesn't always happen this way, however I think it's fairly common, imo.
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Phil2 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:08 am

Enlightened2B wrote: Now I want to hear your experience.


Ha Ha ! ... This reminds me this funny scene in the movie HOOK, when Captain Hook tells Peter Pan's children how immature they are and behave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0cATOGXehc

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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Phil2 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:11 am

dijmart wrote:
Enlightened2B wrote:To claim "I am formless Awareness", but I am not thoughts, is such a mis-take, because it's missing the whole point of awakening to what Being/Awareness actually is. Like Di said beautifully above, it might work temporarily in the awakening process, but ultimately, inclusion as opposed to resistance is where true love is.


Thanks EN2B! It's been awhile since anyone's said I said something beautifully. :lol:


Yes Di, it is clear that you still need others approval and agreement in order to reassure you ... no freedom there ...
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby kafi » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:06 pm

Phil,
I agree - doing vs being.

For me, doing is about old fashioned project management. Goal setting, milestones, planning.
Striving hard to make things work.

Whereas the being mode is more about wishing and then allowing things to unfold.
For me, the being mode is about inner peace – regardless of outer circumstances.
No striving and struggling.
BUT there can be a desire . An arising of a wish.

I want to share some examples about the magic of the being mode which I enjoy every day.

Getting help at work
At work, I had to solve an error ticket a couple of months ago. This particular task required me to talk to two colleagues.
In the doing mode, I would have had to find a meeting spot in their calendar and then arrange a meeting with each of them. However, in the being mode, I was just peaceful inside and thinking with curiosity, “ I wonder how this issue will be resolved.”

It turned out that at the same morning when I got the error ticket, both colleagues came into my office because they wanted to talk to someone else who sits in my office. So I had the chance to contact each of them the very same morning . No cumbersome scheduling of meetings required.


Meeting a person
I wanted to meet a colleague from another department in order to talk to him. But instead of sending him an email, I just rested with the desire to meet him. Then one day, our team went to lunch. Everyone got through the turnstile, except for me. The turnstile just refused to let me in. Bummer! I had to wait 2 minutes outside before I could try again. Shit, I would miss lunch with my team.
Howeverm , when I was at the salad bar, I met the colleague from the other department whom I had wanted to meet since quite some time. I saw him and knew, “THAT is why the turnstile refused to let me in, so I could meet him.” We had lunch together and had an interesting talk.

I have experienced this many times. Whenever I send out the wish that I want to talk to someone, I can be sure that the universe will fold itself in such ways that I will be able to meet this person.

Making the weather
I’ve found that it is possible for me to influence the weather. (No kidding. And no, I am not going crazy. There are quite a few accounts in the literature where people have described their weather making skills. For example Carrie Triffet and Chris Griscom). This comes in handy frequently, especially during vacation.

Once, I was on vacation with the kids. I had wished for warm weather. We were at the playground , the sky was blue all over and it was warm. My son came to me , complaining, “Mommy, look what you have done! You have wished for sun, but the metal of the jungle gym is too hot . I can’t touch it anymore. You need to wish for clouds now.”

Oh shit. Is this gonna work?
Aloud I said, “Ok, honey. We’ll try. But you need to help me. “
We sat down and wished for clouds . Within two minutes an single tiny cloud appeared in front of the sun. My son was delighted. “It works, it works!”. But I thought, “Yeah, nice try. This cloud will probably disappear very soon.” But,no. There was a stream of tiny clouds just in front of the sun. And it lasted 3-4 hours. The playground jungle gyms cooled off and the children were happy.


For dealing with the weather, the traditional approach would have been to carry with me clothing for all kinds of bad weather. Way too heavy. I went by train and had to carry the backpack all by myself.

I have come to the conclusion that the key ingredients for this new navigation mode are
a) a Copernican change in wordview ( i.e. consciousness is prior to everything and does exist even without a brain )
b) Inner peace which is independent of the outer circumstances. The peace which surpasses all understanding.
If these key ingredients are there, then all I need to do is : let the wish arise and then wait with curiosity , “ I wonder how God is going to fulfill this wish.”

The universe appears to me like a single organism , like guided by a single invisible hand.

I'd really love to hear other people's examples of “life in the being mode”, if anyone is willing to share.
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Enlightened2B » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:05 pm

kafi wrote:
The universe appears to me like a single organism , like guided by a single invisible hand.

I'd really love to hear other people's examples of “life in the being mode”, if anyone is willing to share.


It does to me too, but only from a greater perspective. I think there are organisms upon organisms upon organisms going fractally and fractally smaller on each level as we zoom in within the universe itself and beyond the Universe when we zoom out (non physical realities). I think the Universe is a much larger organism than that of a planet which is larger than that of a person which is larger than that of a cell, particle, etc. So, I think there is life (awareness) at every level of Being.

There is only Being, ultimately, from a large scale and much smaller scales, but within that Being, there are multiple options for creation at every level. I'd say human creation is very potent in its ability to manifest (as we've seen in good ways and bad). However, I think while our ability to manifest is incredibly potent, it's a co-manifesting/co-creation taking place as opposed to altering the entire physical reality just by one person alone (which can be done on a smaller scale). I think reality (Energy) is much more intricately complex and interrelated than just a single person wishing for something as large as a weather change (which you mentioned). But, yes, I do think individually as people, we do have power to manifest of course....to an extent as I'm starting to see with myself. I think weather patterns tend to follow just that....patterns across regions which in my opinion can often stem from a collective manifestion. But, then again, I'm very open to being wrong. 8)
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Enlightened2B » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:07 pm

Phil2 wrote:
Enlightened2B wrote: Now I want to hear your experience.


Ha Ha ! ... This reminds me this funny scene in the movie HOOK, when Captain Hook tells Peter Pan's children how immature they are and behave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0cATOGXehc

I want, I want, I want

Me !, me !, me !

Mine, mine, mine

Now, now, now

:lol:


And the Robot theory is in full force as expected :wink:
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Phil2 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:13 pm

kafi wrote:Phil,
I agree - doing vs being.

For me, doing is about old fashioned project management. Goal setting, milestones, planning.
Striving hard to make things work.

Whereas the being mode is more about wishing and then allowing things to unfold.
For me, the being mode is about inner peace – regardless of outer circumstances.
No striving and struggling.
BUT there can be a desire . An arising of a wish.

I want to share some examples about the magic of the being mode which I enjoy every day.


Beautiful posting Kafi, thanks :)

Indeed 'being' mode is more about attracting or allowing things to happen ... and it takes no efforts, no tensions and no stress ... it is really a magnificent way of life ...

Your examples are awesome :)

kafi wrote:The universe appears to me like a single organism , like guided by a single invisible hand.



Did you read the book from Paulo Coelho 'The Alchemist' ? The key idea is the following statement:

"And, when you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it." (Paulo Coelho)
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Enlightened2B » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:14 pm

Phil2 wrote:
dijmart wrote:
Enlightened2B wrote:To claim "I am formless Awareness", but I am not thoughts, is such a mis-take, because it's missing the whole point of awakening to what Being/Awareness actually is. Like Di said beautifully above, it might work temporarily in the awakening process, but ultimately, inclusion as opposed to resistance is where true love is.


Thanks EN2B! It's been awhile since anyone's said I said something beautifully. :lol:


Yes Di, it is clear that you still need others approval and agreement in order to reassure you ... no freedom there ...


I hope this post gets to be seen in the future when the moderators have to lock down another thread because of silly back and forth arguments that have been happening lately. Note here that Di never said or referenced Phil in a single post, but Phil's intent here is clearly to ignite an argument based on past encounters with Di.

Ironically, Phil is the one who always talks down about 'drama', yet he is inciting just that by this very post right here. Doesn't sound like Phil's version of an awakened person to me. 8)
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Phil2 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:27 pm

Enlightened2B wrote:
Ironically, Phil is the one who always talks down about 'drama', yet he is inciting just that by this very post right here. Doesn't sound like Phil's version of an awakened person to me. 8)


No you are just misinterpreting my post and making assumptions about my intentions E2B. Therfore you are breaking the Third Agreement :lol:

I don't see any argument in telling someone that needing others approval, agreement or recognition is a lack of personal freedom ...

Moreover the ancient wisdom says:

"Pleasant words are not true, and true words are not pleasant" (Tao Te Ching)

Ego won't like truth because ego doesn't like freedom ... ego prefers the security of its conceptual prison ... and remember that ego is just an illusion E2B ... and the power of this illusion is still strong in you ...

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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Enlightened2B » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:36 pm

Ok, Phil, explain then. What were your intentions by that post, knowing full well that Di is not responding to you anymore on this board? What could you possibly have hoped to accomplish by posting what you did? How is that post going to further the discussion in this thread?

I'm sure like every other time you are cowered into a corner in fear, you'll just as easily not respond to this post or respond again with another defense mechanism of quotes. So be it.
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Phil2 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:56 pm

Enlightened2B wrote:I'm sure like every other time you are cowered into a corner in fear, you'll just as easily not respond to this post or respond again with another defense mechanism of quotes. So be it.


Right, let it be E2B, let go ... learn to be quiet, I cannot say it enough ... why create tensions and stress ? Keep cool ...

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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Enlightened2B » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:08 pm

Phil2 wrote:
Right, let it be E2B, let go ... learn to be quiet, I cannot say it enough ... why create tensions and stress ? Keep cool ...

8)


That Philism/quote in bold must be setting three on the robot setting I'm taking a guess. :wink:

Thanks Phil (aka....robot/only human on planet earth with no ego) for this discussion. 8)
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Enlightened2B » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:13 pm

Phil2 wrote:No you are just misinterpreting my post and making assumptions about my intentions E2B. Therfore you are breaking the Third Agreement :lol:

I don't see any argument in telling someone that needing others approval, agreement or recognition is a lack of personal freedom ...


Phil, in a non-argumentative way, I want to show something to you here.

You see how you told me that I was misinterpreting your post and making assumptions and therefore breaking the Third Agreement?

It's almost comically ironic that you are preaching this and then in the exact same breath, you are doing the exact same thing right here in the bolded part above, by making assumptions that Di's response to me (which was just a human recognition of gratitude) was a sign of needing approval or recognition of another. Do you know for a fact that Di's response was just that? Have you never felt good about being complimented by another person? This is your own assumption of her post. You have absolutely no idea what her post meant.

Therefore, who is actually breaking the Third Agreement here? Who is making the assumptions here?

We all do Phil. We all misinterpret and judge at times in our life. We all make assumptions at times. But, when you call other people out for actually doing it and then do not own up to your own judgments. It's literally comical.

If you're going to preach something, back it up by your own actions which you don't do. You tell everyone not to judge and yet all you do is judge on this board.

I'm not saying anymore about this. PM if you'd like to talk more. But, I'm trying to get you to open your mind a bit.
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby dijmart » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:46 pm

Enlightened2B wrote:It's almost comically ironic that you are preaching this and then in the exact same breath, you are doing the exact same thing right here in the bolded part above, by making assumptions that Di's response to me (which was just a human recognition of gratitude) was a sign of needing approval or recognition of another. Do you know for a fact that Di's response was just that?


Actually EN2B you hit the nail on the head!

You're correct, I didn't need approval, agreement or reassurance for the post I had made :?: , but it was nice of you to think it was beautiful. I know that I'm not the best story teller or writer for that matter. So, it gave me a chuckle and that's why I put the laughing icon in my reply back to you, as I was laughing at myself, not at what you said.

So, again, thanks :D
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Re: 'Doing' vs 'Being' ?

Postby Enlightened2B » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:45 pm

dijmart wrote:
Actually EN2B you hit the nail on the head!

You're correct, I didn't need approval, agreement or reassurance for the post I had made :?: , but it was nice of you to think it was beautiful. I know that I'm not the best story teller or writer for that matter. So, it gave me a chuckle and that's why I put the laughing icon in my reply back to you, as I was laughing at myself, not at what you said.

So, again, thanks :D


absolutely. I think anyone reading your comment would have looked at it just like I did and not even thought twice about it....unless someone was intentionally attempting to read into something that clearly was never there in an attempt to get under someone's skin which they have been notorious for doing many, many times before. ahem. :)

It is what it is. I don't want this thread to be locked down, so I'm gonna shut up about it because I think the thread itself is a good thread.
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