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E2B said: Yet, what I don't resonate with in the book, is the constant reference to 'healing a wrong belief'. From the Greater Perspective of Being itself, how can there possibly be a 'wrong' belief if that very belief exists as it does?
So, the integration of old emotional trauma by incorporating it into our experience (facing our fears) is a very prominent path to healing in my opinion.
Whereas if one lets it go, does not take our perspective too seriously or hold our interpretations to be the be all and end all, then less 'sticks' and 'penetrates'.
The in-to-out manifestation is more likely to be recurring 'illness' or chronic symptoms of dis-ease wherein the immune system is pushing shit out of us and we keep going no, I need that, I'll keep that .. and pushing it back in, or the immune system 'cleanses' the pollutant/poison and we keep pouring the pollutant/poison back in - reinforcing our belief if you like. The more we push in or hold onto the pollutant the more 'strength' the immune system has to apply to bring balance.
in order to be at face with our fears though, we either have to fall or be dragged into the dark with them (illness etc), or bring them into the light in a higher energy field. No choice is wrong....
Kathleen said: Ken Wilber, who I mostly admire, started something called Integral Life Practice. The theory is that the optimum spiritual practice covers all aspects of life: spiritual, physical, psychological, financial, work, relationships, emotional. That is, taking care of your physical health is part of spiritual practice. Paying your bills is part of spiritual practice. Keeping your relationships conflict-free is part of spiritual practice. I like this.
KB said: I can't be the help Jen was
When you are asleep, or unconscious, and believe you are your ego-identity, it is hard to hear that all experience is equally valid. As you wake up, what you discover is that even the worst experiences are part of the whole, life couldn't exist without them. Then, and only then, can you laugh at it all. Enlightenment doesn't just mean light-as-opposed-to-dark, it also means light-as-opposed-to-heavy. We become light-hearted, see the perfection in everything, and can thus take pleasure in everything, can laugh at everything.
E2B said: However, I don't believe holistic health has the answers either. Any paradigm focused on merely treating symptoms whether it's via drugs or herbs, without taking into account the energetic expressions that we are, which in turn trickle down into the physical (cellular) is missing the point in treating chronic disease.
E2B said: The Boston Bombings that happened a couple of years ago....every single person who went into the hospital with disgusting, severe injuries, came out alive. That is a testament to the incredible power of Conventional Medicine in treating emergency and acute cases.
Ah, there's a slight difference in our interpretation/translation of what is 'holistic health' E2B - you're referring to the 'industry' the commercial application that in reality if shallow, has the same 'profit by illness' overlaying. It's tricky to find balance, even in the practice / practising.
Should I describe the sorts of interactions E2B? I'm not talking about going to a 'health food shop' - although it can be.
smiileyjen101 wrote:E2B said: The Boston Bombings that happened a couple of years ago....every single person who went into the hospital with disgusting, severe injuries, came out alive. That is a testament to the incredible power of Conventional Medicine in treating emergency and acute cases.
^^ made me wonder - how are they financially, emotionally, psychically, relationally as well as physically - we do much better with increased awareness that we have now, but these things are part of the 'score card' of our society's response to 'stuff' too. Returned war veterans as a case in point, they may be alive, they may even be on the 'winning side', but are they able to fully live in harmony with their experiences?
Enlightened2B wrote:But, I've also come to understand that the way of thinking of separation in the world that carries over into the medical community (by treating the body separately) is not something that necessarily needs to be fixed. Relatively speaking, yes, it does need to be fixed. However, we all come here into incarnation with a purpose. But, I'd say many of us live our lives without ever fulfilling that purpose. It's the experience we gain in humanness which is for the overall growth of our soul aspect of Being.
Not to sound nihilistic, but the world does not need changing as much as we need to see how we, ourselves react to the many seeming dysfunctions of the world. I mean, ultimately, the medical industry in the US is a disaster in its approach to chronic illness, and often times, I get very angry talking about it, but it is what IS. Much of the world is lost in the belief of separation and that's just how it is. It's what we gain ourselves out of this experience which is likely ever so valuable in the long run, more so than actually changing the experience itself. When we awaken ourselves, we change the energy universally on a very small scale, but it adds up.
Perhaps the world will never wake up, and medicine in the US will continue to be practiced from the perspective of having multiple specialists for every single body system and we will get sicker and sicker as a culture, until we decide to take our own health into our own hands. Or perhaps in a futuristic awakened world, the understanding of who and what we are will finally be taken into consideration when treating patients.
I think we are far away from that though. Luckily, there is an awareness today about the importance of healing as a whole-sitic approach and the understanding of how processed foods do indeed make us/keep us sick.
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